Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Entertainment/2009 July 22

= July 22 =

Illinois tollway film
Late 1950's early 1960's film. probably b&w. I'm looking for someone familiar with the subject from Chicago also familiar with the tollways at the time. I'm referencing the "oasis" on the tollway. The protagonist seemed to be trying to evade the bad guys during the film. I saw it during the 1960's probably during a movie on a Sunday afternoon in Peoria Illinois. Any help? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chief41074 (talk • contribs) 04:27, 22 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm only finding two films with scenes filmed at an illinois tollway oasis and those are Thief and Blues Brothers, neither of which fits your time frame.129.176.151.11 (talk) 08:01, 22 July 2009 (UTC)


 * This is probably Robert Altman's Nightmare in Chicago (1964), which still had some tv play during the 1970s before it vanished. Aka Once Upon a Savage Night (when it was an episode of Kraft Suspense Theatre). Much is from the killer's POV in night scenes shot around Chicago in existing light. This is one of Altman's greatest films, now faded into total obscurity. Pepso2 (talk) 10:27, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll look into that Altman film.

beethovens 9th symphony
my local music shop has 2 versions of this symphony, one is 72 minutes long and broken into 5 parts (on the cover0, the other is only 64 minutes long broken into 4 parts. which one should i get? I can't listen to them before I buy. which is more authentic? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.202.43.54 (talk) 07:56, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The difference in timing is probably due to the conductors using different tempi for the music (I recently heard a performance conducted by Roger Norrington that took it all quite fast - even the slow (third) movement was much faster than I'm used to). To a large extent, what the "right" tempo is is subjective, so it's not possible to say which recording is "best" from that point of view. It's also possible that the shorter version omits some of the repeats that Beethoven specifies: e.g. omitting the repeat of the exposition of the first movement could cut (at a guess) five minutes or more from the running time. The symphony has four movements, so I'd expect recordings to have four tracks, but it's possible the producers have split the last movement into two parts, perhaps starting a new track where the choral part begins. If you can give us more information about the recordings (label, conductor, orchestra, etc) someone might be able to help further, though that's getting into the realm of opinion, which the refdesk isn't intended for. AndrewWTaylor (talk) 08:13, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The reference desk is not for our opinions, but we could of course inform the OP about how the different performances were received by music critics (once we know about conductor, orchestra etc.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by David Šenek (talk • contribs) 10:22, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Are Carlito and Primo Still Brothers or...
Are Carlito and Primo still or did Carlito say the he no longer considers Primo and himself brothers just like Matt and Jeff Hardy no longer considered themselves brothers? Ericthebrainiac (talk) 14:01, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Have you read our article on kayfabe? Livewireo (talk) 17:41, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

United World Chart
I was wondering why there is no page for the United World Chart? I would help someone put all the info onto a page if they start it up.Rd6019 (talk) 19:16, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, articles of that name (United World Chart) appear to have been deleted no fewer than 7 times in 3 years. The original deletion discussion is at Articles for deletion/United World Chart where consensus appeared to be that the subject did not meet Wikipedia policies, including our policy on verifiability. Subsequent deletions appear to have been under the recreation of deleted material criteria. There was also a deletion review (here) in October 2008 which endorsed the original deletion. If you have reliable, independent sources on which to base an article, you are free to start one, of course! I would recommend writing it on a subpage of your user space such as User:Rd6019/United World Chart so that you can work on it before moving it to the main encyclopedia. I will leave a welcome note on your talk page with some links which might be useful. -- Kateshort forbob  15:27, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Can anyone here tab a song by ear?
I've been looking for a guitar tab for a few years now to no avail. The song is called "The Coming Night" by the band Anabret. It is most popularly known by its appearance in episode 5 of John Doe (TV series) a few years back. Google brings up nothing. I even emailed the band for a tab but apparently they replied to say the guitarist that composed the song had left the band by that time. Anyone out there who can help? It would be much appreciated. Thanks. Zunaid 21:00, 22 July 2009 (UTC)