Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Entertainment/2009 June 7

= June 7 =

Jerry Springer show "I Refuse To Wear Clothes" episode
Does anyone know what happened to the two ladies? What are they doing now? I fear the worst. 89.241.39.10 (talk) 19:23, 7 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Presumably they put their clothes back on as soon as the show stopped taping, and collected their cheques from Jerry Springer. Adam Bishop (talk) 01:47, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I hope they paid their SAG/AFTRA dues. Who then was a gentleman? (talk) 17:03, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

It occurred to me that I could look them up on IMDB. It lists three women: Adara Michaels, Amanda Michaels, and Anna Romero. I assume Anna Romero was the lady with the Latin accent who removed her top in the audience. The names are quite likely to be fake, but Adara Michaels is listed in the IMDB of having a five-year career and according to this forum http://board.freeones.com/showthread.php?t=4039&page=2 dated May 2007: "The only thing I know is she has 2 kids, lives in Ohio and her husband Eddie doesn't let her do much." Amanda Michaels is listed in the IMDB as only appearing in one other thing apart from the JSS. Someone called Jim Keeler says on My Space that he thought up the idea. Jim Keeler says he was a rock band performer turned pornographer. So former porn performers turn into housewives after a few short years - how dull. 84.13.204.25 (talk) 14:44, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Did Little Walter actually kill someone?
I'm watching Cadillac Records and in the movie there's a scene where blues musician Little Walter sees an imposter on the side the road. Little Walter gets out of the car and then shoots the guy claiming to be Little Walter. It's a head shot so presumably the guy is killed. The movie is based on a true story but I don't know how much the film makers embelished the story. Does anyone know if Little Walter actually killed someone? A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 21:13, 7 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I saw the movie in the theater, and as far as I can tell, that isn't true. There are a lot of things in the movie that are changed from real life.  Len Chess didn't die a block away from Chess Records, he died a couple of years later.  Little Walter didn't die as a result of the fight, etc.  Bubba73 (talk), 16:50, 12 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I listened to the DVD commentary and watched the extras and according to the movie's director, the scene is based on a "legend". It didn't seem like they did much research (or perhaps they couldn't find much) to determine whether it was true or not.  Yes, after doing a little more research, it appears they weren't too concerned about factual accuracy.  A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 17:07, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Grammy nominations for 1986/1987?
How could one check an unsourced claim for a Grammy Award nomination? Specifically, the claim that the 1986 New Age album Novus Magnificat by Constance Demby was "Grammy nominated" (presumably in 1987, maybe 1986 or 1988). For instance, could someone with access to special subscription services or magazine archives have a look at a reliable source confirming or denying this claim? I suppose that plenty of old magazine articles have published the complete lists of Grammy noms at the time, but I don't have access to any. The main article has been heavily rewritten/censored by Constance Demby herself since 2007, with most sources being only her own website (she even released in 2007 an "OTRS"from Constance Demby allowing republication of her site's content so as to copy-paste her own self-praise into the Wikipedia article). The result is that a lot of it is suspect and needs some extra scrutiny and sourcing. &mdash; Ekans talk @ 23:06, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
 * What I tried
 * Grammy Awards of 1986/1987/1988: only winners.
 * Grammy.com: they seem to list only winners.
 * IMdb: they have the 5 noms but only for a few categories (1986, 1987, 1988)
 * Google News Archive for < "Novus Magnificat" Grammy >: nothing relevant.
 * Google Books: nothing.
 * Google Web: easy to find pages, but only from small and recent music reviews or interviews that just repeat the author's claim, nothing independent or authoritative.
 * Why
 * I can't find either "Demby" or "Novus" listed here from 1985-88. Clarityfiend (talk) 02:10, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I can't find anything specific but the New York Times states that 1987 was the first year a New Age grammy was awarded.--Maltelauridsbrigge (talk) 10:59, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Great links! At this point, I think it's clear we have sources to assume that this album was not actually "Grammy nominated". (As I understand it, the first stage of the Grammies is the record labels submitting one of their own releases for consideration to the Grammy academy, who parse this immense input and eventually turn it into an official list of 5 "Grammy nominees". What I think is that this album was probably proposed that year by Hearts of Space Records to the Grammy academy, but it didn't made the cut to the list of the 5 noms and is thus not what is understood as "Grammy nominated".) So the article's claim doesn't hold, or at least the burden of proof is now even more in Demby's camp. BTW, that MetroLyrics page is a great resource: I've added it to the Grammy Awards article (hoping it won't be deleted as "spam"), and to the WP:ALBUM resources too, that should come handy to others. Thanks! &mdash; Ekans talk @ 19:12, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * From Clarityfiend's tip, I've checked the lists for 1985–1990 with the Find function for "Demby", "Denby", "Constance", "Novus", "Magnificat", "Stargate", to no result.
 * From Maltelauridsbrigge's tip, I've read all noms in any section with "New Age" (in case there'd be some horrible series of typos): nothing either. I've also googled inside their whole site for "Demby" or "Novus Magnificat", nothing.
 * The 1987 Grammy for New Age nominates two compilations from Germany's Windham Hill Records, "various artists - Windham Hill Records Sampler '86" and "various artists - A Winter's Solstice", but neither Demby nor an excerpt from Novus is on them. Same for "various artists" in 1986 and 1988.
 * I've checked that the "1987 Grammy" page indeed listed albums that were released in 1986. I've pasted the 1987 Grammy's New Age noms into Google to find other pages listing at least New-Age Grammies (in case this page would somehow be incomplete). I found a similar resource at http://www.awesome80s.com/Awesome80s/Music/1986/Grammys.asp (they call it "Grammy Awards for 1986" because they mean for albums released in 1986, instead of "1987 Grammy Awards" awarded in 1987) it's the same list and no Demby. I've also googled inside their whole site for "Demby" or "Novus" or "Stargate", nothing.
 * I have fed again Google with that list of New Age Grammy noms and added "Novus Magnificat" to it, to see if there was a page somehow listing both: four results, none relevant.