Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Entertainment/2009 September 1

= September 1 =

Space Hymns
In the 1960s (that's just after the Boer war for you younger folk) my sister owned an album called Space Hymns which I really enjoyed but is now long lost. I remember the name of one of the tracks, You're the only one Joe, but not the name of the band. I'm pretty sure this was not a drug induced hallucination but the sixties are pretty hazy. Can anyone help with the name of the band?  Sp in ni ng  Spark  06:57, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Here's something about a 1971 album called Space Hymns, by a group called Ramases, and including a track called "You Are the Only One". I found this almost immediately in Google: Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 07:03, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Adult Swim commercial with a tune I would like an ID for
The other day AS ran an ad for the upcoming film memories of nobody. I would very much so like to know what the name of the catchy piece of music they played with the commercial is called and where I can find it. Can anyone help? 76.211.107.172 (talk) 07:01, 1 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Do you have a link to the ad so we can listen for ourselves? -- Jayron  32  17:17, 1 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Funny, I was on my way to ask the same question at Yahoo! answers the other day when I found the solution on youtube of all places. The name of the song is Ciaro Stylo, and you can find a link to it (albeit a poor quality one) here. TomStar81 (Talk) 06:20, 3 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks. 76.211.107.172 (talk) 10:25, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Where did the mountains go ?
Whenever I see a network TV program advertised here (Detroit, USA, in the Eastern Time Zone), they list the time the program will start in the Eastern, Central, and Pacific Time zones. However, they never list the time for the Mountain Time Zone. Why is this ? StuRat (talk) 17:17, 1 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I think the major networks run two feeds of their programming, one for the Eastern & Central zones and one for the Pacific & Mountain zones. When you hear in Detroit "Tonight at Seven, Six Central" the 7:00 is meant to be solely the eastern timezone and not the Pacific, and seven if for the central.  I think that the same advert in the western feed would state "Tonight at Seven, Eight Mountain".  Having never myself watched TV in the western U.S., we need testimony from someone out there, but I think that mountain and pacific times are NOT regularly announced for the eastern U.S.; only Eastern and Central timezones.  -- Jayron  32  17:27, 1 September 2009 (UTC)


 * The "prime time" programs are simulcast for east and central zones, for sure, and I think they are broadcast separately in the mountain and pacific zones, but that part I'm not totally sure of. However, if you were to check the evening schedule at a network TV station in Denver and also in L.A., then you could figure it out. I think I've heard that Mountain is broadcast at the same local time as Central, and that Pacific is broadcast at the same local time as Eastern. Not the same absolute time, of course. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 18:08, 1 September 2009 (UTC)


 * So that would mean that there are 3 feeds: One for eastern & central, one for mountain, and one for pacific? I don't doubt that is true, but it seems somewhat inefficient to have a feed just for Mountain time, which is the least-populous of the U.S. timezones... -- Jayron  32  21:01, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * It does seem so, though it's probably not technologically difficult. The thing is, though, if you broadcast a show at 8 Eastern / 7 Central, then repeat it at 8 Pacific and simulcast it in Mountain, it would get pretty late there. This whole thing was more of a challenge in the Golden Age of Radio, where shows were done live. Jack Benny, for example, would do two or maybe three live shows to cover the different time zones - ostensibly the same show, but with a chance to fix mistakes made in previous broadcasts that night (or maybe make some new ones). Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 00:08, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Well, I just saw an ad for Stargate SG-1, on channel 4.2 in Detroit, which is the This TV network. It said the show would air at 10PM Eastern, 9PM Central, and 7PM Pacific times. I conclude that they only use one feed, and that it will play at 8PM Mountain time, but why don't they state that ? You might think they don't have any affiliate stations in that time zone, but List of This TV affiliates seems to list two stations in Utah, which is in that time zone. StuRat (talk) 18:13, 1 September 2009 (UTC)


 * According to the wikipedia page for Mountain Time Zone it says "TV broadcasting in the Mountain Time Zone is typically tape-delayed one hour, so that shows match the broadcast times of the Central Time Zone (i.e. prime time begins at 7:00 p.m. MT following the same order of programming as the other two time zones)."152.132.9.130 (talk) 18:27, 1 September 2009 (UTC)


 * The last time I researched this for a similar question (see Primetime), I couldn't find a definitive answer, but I found comments on a Google Answers post that suggested there are only two feeds, Western and Eastern, and it's up to each television station in the Mountain time zone which feed they use and how much time delay, if any, they use. In other words, the reason the Mountain times are omitted is because they aren't consistent across the entire time zone. The comments also pointed out that the Mountain time zone only includes 6% of the population of the continental 48 states, and time-delay equipment is more economical than a separate Mountain feed. --Bavi H (talk) 00:28, 2 September 2009 (UTC)


 * AH! That makes a lot of sense actually... Thanks for finding that info out.  -- Jayron  32  12:12, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

OK, thanks, everyone, but note that none of this explains the specific case I gave, where they listed a program as being on at 10PM Eastern, 9PM Central, and 7PM Pacific. This indicates one feed, meaning it should be on at 8PM Mountain time. And they do have stations in the Mountain Time Zone. All I can think of is that their mountain time zone stations are such a low proportion of the audience that they don't think it's worth it to mention the time for them. Or perhaps they just think "that's the way it's done", because those networks with two feeds do it that way, for the reasons stated previously. StuRat (talk) 12:30, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The explanation is that they can't, because there is no one set time in Mountain that the show will air. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 13:15, 2 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Here's a guess: Even if there's one feed, some stations in the Mountain time zone might still choose to delay it? For example, if other stations in a market area use their networks' Eastern feeds delayed by one hour, then viewers might be used to paying attention to the advertised Central times. A particular station of the network you describe might decide to delay their feed as well to match up with this expectation. --Bavi H (talk) 00:16, 3 September 2009 (UTC)


 * The networks in the US have two main feeds of prime time programming: Eastern and Pacific.  Central time zone stations take the Eastern feed and air the program one hour earlier locally, hence the double tag on promos such as "tonight at 8, 7 central".  Mountain time zone stations generally take the Eastern feed and delay it by one or two hours locally.  Since there is no prevailing standard for Mountain time zone stations, the networks do not specifically give a Mountain time tag.  Pacific time zone stations get their own feed, three hours after the Eastern feed, and so they air the network programs at the same local time as those in the Eastern time zone. --Thomprod (talk) 01:10, 3 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Just to clarify, the stations in the Central time zone don't do anything to the Eastern feed; they run it as it comes through; at the same time as the Eastern Time Zone does. It's their clocks that are an hour earlier, not the TV shows... -- Jayron  32  02:58, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

What was the NAACP's main complaint against Dukes of Hazzard?
Trying to phrase this like a RD and not a forum query... When the NAACP protested the above show a few years back, what was their main complaint? Was it the fact a good majority of African-Americans, when they did appear, were criminals? (Which, I'll admit, bothered me even in its original run, though there was Sheriff Little). Or, was it a lack of black characters, period? Someone told me it was the latter, which didn't make sense, becuase I don't know who you'd have that could be black on that show to please the NAACP. (Maybe Cooter Davenport, but he was pretty wild in early episodes. *Maybe* an adopted Daisy...) Is that their argument, that they should have had black main characters? Or, were they just saying, "Look, we'd rather there not have been any African-Americans, rarther than what you did." After all, Cheers almost never had an African-American, and nobody ever protested their show. Or, did they?4.68.248.130 (talk) 19:14, 1 September 2009 (UTC)


 * In simple terms... The NAACP tried to make a monstrous example out of South Carolina because they had the Confederate Flag flying below the American Flag and the South Carolina flag on the state capital. To ensure that nobody would think that the state government was endorsing racism, they removed the confederate flag and placed it in a memorial to the confederate forces from South Carolina.  Because the memorial was on state-owned property, the NAACP called for a ban on South Carolina, claiming that the Confederate Flag was an undeniable sign of racism and that South Carolina heavily endorsed racism by using it in a state memorial.  At that time, Hollywood decided to make a Dukes of Hazzard movie, which caused an interest in reruns of the Dukes of Hazzard television show.  To avoid looking foolish, the NAACP was required to protest use of the Confederate Flag on the General Lee (the Duke's car).  It really had nothing to do with the content of the show - just the display of what was termed an undeniable endorsement of racism. --  k a i n a w &trade; 19:39, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * It's still controversial - this from just two months ago - . Who then was a gentleman? (talk) 20:33, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Being a northerner, when I see the stars-and-bars, a couple of thoughts about it come to mind. One is that it represents defense of the institution of slavery. The other thing it represents is... LOSER! Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 20:39, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Boy, talk about going crazy over a small issue.half the time, they jup the car so much, you don't even see the top :-) Seriously, Isn't that something they could just digitize out? Or would that be too cost-prohibitive on reruns?209.244.187.155 (talk) 22:36, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The Stars and Bars is different from the Battle Flag. Who then was a gentleman? (talk) 22:38, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * To me, it represents treason. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 23:21, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * No argument there. It stands for a lot of things, most if not all of them negative. Beating up on The Dukes of Hazzard, though, might be giving that show a little more attention than necessary. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 00:00, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Well said.83.100.250.79 (talk) 09:37, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I suppose I should ask: was there ever a black character in the show??83.100.250.79 (talk) 12:33, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * In this northerner's opinion, Lincoln was the traitor. —Tamfang (talk) 18:37, 28 September 2009 (UTC)


 * In response to the confederate flag in SC still being an issue...
 * It will always be an issue until either there is no NAACP or no South Carolina. The sequence of events shows more of the whole story.  The flag was permanently on the statehouse.  The NAACP asked for it to be removed for all days except Confederate Memorial Day.  The state said OK.  Then, come Confederate Memorial Day, the NAACP asked for it to be removed permanently.  The state said OK and worked out a deal with the NAACP to place the flag on a pole next to the statehouse.  After doing that, the NAACP said the flag cannot be near the statehouse.  So, the state worked with the NAACP and agreed that it should be moved to a remote corner of the state grounds and placed in a confederate memorial to symbolize that this flag is in the past and not the present.  After that was complete, the NAACP said that the flag could not be on state grounds.  The state, tired of the game, told them what they could do with their complaint (and pointed out that the Georgia state flag had the confederate flag on it all this time - and the NAACP held their yearly meetings right under it without a single complaint).  So, the NAACP has been protesting South Carolina ever since.  I see no way in which either side will budge. --  k a i n a w &trade; 00:44, 2 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Maybe once SC decides to stop living in the 19th century. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 09:09, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I think making a demeaning comment about a wonderful state has no place in this discussion. I am disappointed 10draftsdeep (talk) 14:35, 3 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I've worked in the South, and find the displays of Confederate flags there to symbolize redneck, loser, racists. There's also a line from the Dukes' theme song that says "just'a good ol' boys".  I believe "good ol' boys" was used in the South to mean those who support the "old ways", including membership in the Ku Klux Klan and lynching blacks.  I definitely had problems with the Dukes during the original run of the series, even though I was a kid and had to watched to get my dose of Daisy Duke in her Daisy Dukes. StuRat (talk) 12:21, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Freakin'-A, Bubba! :) Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 12:27, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * You're so darn pretty miss daisy (sweats and dabs himself with hankerchief -who am I?)83.100.250.79 (talk) 12:36, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Daisy is the one element that transcends cultures. :) Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 13:00, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I watched show in Britain, and we had no idea what the flag on the General Lee was, or what any of this Confederate stuff meant. But we sure liked Daisy Duke. DJ Clayworth (talk) 15:05, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes me too (UK) - I thought it was just a nice old flag - I had no idea they were driving around with the equivalent of a swastika on the roof...83.100.250.79 (talk) 16:14, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Of note... At the time that the Dukes of Hazzard was being produced, it was not popularly considered an identifier of racism. It was considered one of those dumb redneck things like driving a pickup truck with a gunrack in the back or marrying your first cousin.  After the Dukes of Hazzard, political correctness swept across the nation and anything that identified itself as either southern or redneck became an identifier of racism.  So, this entire thread is placing the current identification of the flag on something that was produced before that identification was popular.  I, personally, have never differentiated between the stupidity of rednecks or racists.  However, I do accept that others disagree with me and I made it a point above to attempt to show that the opinions of those who disagree are not necessarily based on stupid racism. --  k a i n a w &trade; 17:20, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I was being a little facetious - To alot of people (especially non-USAians) that flag simply says "country music", as a war flag (I only just found that out too) it's always going to be offensive to people (especially those it affected) There's a similar thing today about runes with relation to white supremacists - but what that has to do with The Hobbit is a mystery. I'm really digging a hole here for myself 83.100.250.79 (talk) 19:05, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Not a nasty, dirty, wet hole, filled with the ends of worms and an oozy smell, I hope. 87.81.230.195 (talk) 10:22, 3 September 2009 (UTC)