Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Entertainment/2010 August 2

= August 2 =

Light blue jerseys baseball
Why Toronto BLue Jays, Kansas City Royals and Philadelphia Philles were the only teams in MLb that have light blue jerseys? What was the purpose of the light blue jerseys? as alternatives? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.14.116.133 (talk) 15:14, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Weird and garish colour combinations used to be the "in" thing for Major League baseball teams; the Houston Astros, for example, used to wear a rainbow on the front of their jerseys. To be honest, I liked the days when you could identify a team by the colours they wore; the current thinking that everyone has to have white or pinstriped home jerseys and grey away uniforms is just boring. MLB does a "turn back the clock" type thing every once in a while and teams wear their old-time uniforms. For the sake of creativity, most teams seem to go with their colours from the 1970s as those are the most colourful. Matt Deres (talk) 16:19, 2 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Related to this... In the NFL, light-colored uniforms are seen as a benefit when it is hot and sunny. While the home-team usually wears their colors, there are times when the home-team will opt to wear their white "away" uniform, forcing the visiting team to wear their team colors.  I specifically remember the KC Chiefs opting to wear white at home against the Oakland Raiders, who were then forced to wear black.  So, I wonder if choice of color has anything to do with the environment in Baseball since it is played during the summer and in the heat of the day, unlike football. --  k a i n a w &trade; 16:24, 2 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Did the Raiders lose? Comet Tuttle (talk) 18:00, 2 August 2010 (UTC)


 * According to Russell A. Hill and Robert A. Barton, some colors may also give you a psychological edge (see also BBC report). ---Sluzzelin talk  18:43, 2 August 2010 (UTC)


 * There was a trend in the 1980's for teams to wear light blue as their primary away color. I don't know why that is.  These things, like all fashion, go in cycles.  Originally, all teams kept only white and grey uniforms.  White for home, grey for away.  Other than white or grey, the uniforms only featured accents of red, blue, orange, or brown.  That was about it.  In the 1960's, the Atheltics (then in Kansas City) and their maverick owner Charles O. Finley introduced color to uniforms.  Garish, loud, green and yellow.  Other teams followed suit, adding more color, such as changing road uniforms from gray to a more primary color.  In the 1980's, the trend changed again, as several teams adopted the somewhat ubiquitous Robin's Egg Blue as their away colors.  Some teams were grayer and some bluer, but it became rather commonplace.  Besides the ones listed above, I can remember away blues for the Brewers, the Twins, the White Sox (with that obnoxious red and blue horizontal band and SOX in the middle), Rangers, Mariners, probably many others.  In fact, there may have been some seasons when more teams used the light blue for away uniforms than those that did not.  You still see them comeback once in a while as "throwback" jerseys.  this article is an interesting read on the topic.  This website contains a complete database of uniform designs for every major league team in every season.  It is super awesome for answering the above question.  -- Jayron  32  01:37, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I think the "blue away" fad was slightly earlier than the '80s. As you can see on the site that Jayron32 linked, my favorite team started using them in 1976 and stopped in 1985. Now they're back to home whites (with red caps) and away greys (with dark blue caps). Deor (talk) 04:48, 3 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I believe it was in the 70s, the Chicago White Sox experimented with shorts. I'm sure that went over well when they had to slide into base.  They also used black shirts in some games.  The A's specific colors under Charlie O. Finley were wedding gown white, Fort Knox gold, and California misty green.  :)  Everard Proudfoot (talk) 17:33, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The Hollywood Stars had tried shorts in the early 1950s or so, and that went over similarly well. The White Sox attempt at it lasted like one game. I think the site Jayron pointed to is an outgrowth of Marc Okkonen's book about uniforms. It's fascinating to see the changes - or lack thereof. The Chicago Cubs, Cincinnati Reds, Detroit Tigers and New York Yankees have not changed their basic home uniforms since about 1930. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:34, 3 August 2010 (UTC)


 * In 1944, the Brooklyn Dodgers wore shiny blue satin uniforms for night games. (photos here and here) Read Paul Lukas's "Uniwatch" article about it. (Lukas's website is a great discussion on all things related to sports uniforms, by the way. You might also be interested in the Hall of Fame's online exhibit "Dressed to the Nines.) — Michael J  22:26, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Sources allowed and forbidden.
Currently, I am writing a Wiki on a South Korean composer named Bahnus. However there is an issue with the references I added.

Bahnus is a composer who recently ended up in one of Korea's biggest plagiarism scandals, however the Wiki is a biography on a living person so extra strict rules apply to what I can and what I cannot write.

Because I'm not able to read Korean, I depend on English articles and translations from Korean ones. Websites such as Allkpop, specialized in breaking news about anything concerning Korean Pop(Kpop), reported on the plagiarism scandal from the very start and provided the most detailed information found online. Now there is a discussion which is developing with other Wikipedians who say that Allkpop does not meet the standards as prescribed in the WP:RS.

These Wikipedians put Allkpop in the category 'gossip' and 'forum'. Although Allkpop does indeed provide some 'gossip' it also publishes official news, such as translated statements by entertainment companies and record labels on all sorts of issues. For details you can visit their 'About Us' page. Allkpop provides news and has a great number of readers who form a big community, thats why Allkpop hosts a Forum separately from their news website.

Because the other wikipedians kept removing my Allkpop references I was forced to search for other sources to re-write the Wiki. I found English written Korean newspapers such as the Korea Times, the Chosun Ilbo. These newspaper sources were accepted, but these English newspapers only covered the last phase of the plagiarism issue, not the very beginning.

Also, more importantly, I found out that these newspapers provided wrong information in their articles, they state completely false things, which I can prove. Ofcourse, I left this 'wrong' information out of the Wiki, but I cannot understand that its not allowed to reference Allkpop(who know what theyre writing about) and allowing the newspapers(who obviously have no clue what is what).

That is why I ask, Can Allkpop be used as reference for the Wiki Bahnus?

This issue with references also applies to Lee_Hyori who is the singer duped by Bahnus because he provided her with the plagiarized songs. For details on the discussion visit Bahnus' talk page and Lee Hyori's talk page Intouchwithbertj (talk) 16:56, 2 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry, the Reference Desk is not for questions about the rules of writing Wikipedia articles. You want Help desk or possibly Village Pump.  Comet Tuttle (talk) 18:00, 2 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Okay, I will move it somewhere else. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Intouchwithbertj (talk • contribs) 18:35, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Face
In the High Numbers' Zoot Suit, what do they mean by "face"? Black Carrot (talk) 23:32, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Apparently, it was a mod word for a leader-type person. For example, according to our article on the Small Faces, their "name stuck in part because of the mod slang usage of the word "face" to mean a popular, trendsetting individual." ---Sluzzelin talk  23:43, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The High Numbers were actually The Who under a previous name. They were very popular with the mods, hence the connection.  Aaronite (talk) 04:29, 3 August 2010 (UTC)