Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Entertainment/2010 December 16

= December 16 =

Guitar notation that shows timbre?
It is impossible to find anything on the web regarding writing classical music for the guitar because everything is about how to write tabs. I don't play a classical nylon string guitar, but everything I write and play is on steel-string. So my question *may* actually be moot.

Is there notation to differentiate between the timbre of the same note played on different strings?

For example, if I play an octave B on the D string followed by an open B string, it's the same note. But the timbre of that note is completely different. I believe it adds "sparkle" to the music when used well. I do have a redundancy plan, simply because I will eventually add tablature to the notes. This way it is clear what exactly I want played and how it should be played. But I'm still curious. –  Ker αun oςc op ia◁ galaxies  02:31, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I think this is why many composers/transcribers use both sets of musical notation side-by-side. Basic sheet music does a better job of showing rhythm (indeed, TAB pretty much ignores rhythm; you have to work out note length and rest by listening to the piece), while sheet music has a hard time indicating certain legato aspects of guitar playing, like notating hammers and pulls, or distinguishing between left hand bends and whammy bar bends, or indeed as you note, indicating which of a multitude of ways a single note can be played.  The best thing to do is to include the tab and sheet music together on the same stave.  -- Jayron  32  13:08, 16 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Perfect. I came to the same conclusion last night, although I did read about notes that use either circles or Roman numerals to represent open strings. Thanks! –  Ker αun oςc op ia◁ galaxies  18:11, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I recall that classical guitar music (which I never mastered) is often written with an indication of the position (that is to say, the number of the fret notionally stopped by the index finger) intended to be used for a given chord, arpeggio, or phrase where more than one is possible, which in turn determines which string and fret will be used for a given note. 87.81.230.195 (talk) 05:53, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Music for the violin (and related instruments) sometimes asks for notes to be played on a particular string for reasons of timbre when it might be more naturally played on a higher string. This is indicated by sul G or sul IV (for the G string). There may be a similar convention for the guitar, but I'm not aware of it. AndrewWTaylor (talk) 13:27, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Online games
does anyone know of any good online rpg games besides runescape (I have problems getting to the site) that don't require downloading/ are browser based? Jds500 (talk) 03:55, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * The first things I would ask would be what your problems are getting to the site (we may be able to help), and why you can't download (depending on the reason, there may be download games suitable for you).
 * To answer your question, perform a search for "browser" on our list of MMORPGs and you'll be shown a few games that are browser-based that you can try out. We also have a list of multiplayer browser games which you can sort by genre for the RPGs. 90.195.179.14 (talk) 10:38, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

I'm only able to play online games at my local library which blocks downloading. Jds500 (talk) 14:04, 16 December 2010 (UTC)


 * What did you find when you googled online rpg browser ? Comet Tuttle (talk) 17:57, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

sports
Who are the world record holders in all athletic events? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mns138 (talk • contribs) 05:47, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * There are plenty of wikipedia articles covering those topics, but I doubt there is one comprehensive article as it would cover too much ground. There are several lists of records just for baseball. And there are entire books written on the subject for just one sport. It would be helpful if you could narrow the scope a bit. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 06:11, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Assuming the OP is British, then the word athletics means what "track and field" means in American English. The article Athletics record progressions contains links to most of the major athletics records.  -- Jayron  32  13:03, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Did WW2 have a cooling effect at the time?
Somebody asked whether Dresden, Tokyo, Hiroshima, Nagaski, et al. had a noticeable downward effect on global temperatures at rationalskepticism.org. Obviously, there was a coinciding dramatic industrialization also, with CO2 being released in copious amounts. Has anybody looked into this?Julzes (talk) 08:16, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Better to ask whether Mt. St. Helens had a cooling effect. One estimate I saw at the time said that it put more particle matter into the air than all the bombs of World War II. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 08:27, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Argh! I thought I placed this at the science desk. Bleeping cellphone! My thumbs are too big. Sorry. Please ignore.Julzes (talk) 08:35, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Can we add 'cast ensemble' SAG Award nominations to newcomers' award tables?
Are we allowed or is it necessarily acceptable to add hugely established and prestigious award show nominations such as the Screen Actors Guild Awards's Screen Actors Guild Award for Outstanding Performance by a Cast in a Motion Picture that an actor/actress has gained in the pages of the actors/actresses if these performers are new emerging ones which barely have any major award nominations.

For example, if the person is clearly part of the cast ensemble (is billed high, noted and listed as part of the cast ensemble by all of the sources, is established and well-known to be one of the most prominent actors in the film) but doesn't have any established and major award nominations nor does she have numerous individual nominations of unknown awards since she is barely known outside of a particular limited demographic, is it acceptable to add her SAG Award 'cast ensemble' nomination to her awards table?

The actress is not established among film critics and the film world, she is not a Natalie Portman, Angelina Jolie or Sandra Bullok, the last time she had a major film role was in 2001 in a poorly critical and commercial kids film however now she has emerged in theaters as a pyromaniac female in one of the most critically acclaimed films of the decade and is receiving major nominations as part of being in the cast ensemble of the film, is it alright to add her cast ensemble nominations to her 'awards' table?

She is a newcomer and the major awards season is merely beginning thus it's too early to believe she won't receive individual nominations or hasn't so far, I've noticed a lot of GA articles on Wikipedia such as (Keira Knightley, Amanda Bynes, Natalia Portman) include 'cast ensemble nominations, Amanda Bynes' article has had the actress' SAG Awards 'cast ensemble' nomination for a long time. Her nominations as part of being part of the cast ensemble remains in the awards table, none of the admins have ever challenged removing the 'cast ensemble' nominations in any of these GA pages of actresses.

The question is, is it acceptable to add 'cast ensemble' nominations of very established and notable award shows such as the SAG Awards to the Wikipedia pages of non-established, rising newcomers in the film world (who don't have many award nominations to begin with)? The actress' page is a GA article, however a non-admin has repeatedly challenged the 'cast ensemble' nominations in the awards table of the article, to a point where he removed the award nominations from the awards table and re-worded the sentence written about the film's cast ensemble (including the actress) receiving the award, stating 'The film won the "Hollywood Ensemble Award" from the Hollywood Awards.' But the actress and her costars were the ones which won, it's not a 'Best Film' award nomination, it was an 'Outstanding Cast Ensemble' award. Why do we have to say the film is the won that won the award, why can't we say the truth, which is the actress and her costars won the award (in the sources, it says the actress and her costars won the award, in the press releases from the award show, it says the cast ensemble won the award). The award show's press release says the leading actresses and actors of the film won the award, the award committee listed their names and awarded them the award. Being part of a cast ensemble that got nominated and won awards for the performance differs from being in a movie that received a 'Best Film' nomination, you're listed and awarded the 'cast ensemble' award individually and the credit goes to the actors and actresses since they are the ones being nominated, not the film, the film was not personified. The cast ensemble and their work was nominated, the actress' hard work was recognized since she is a prominent, leading actress in the film who has been factually established to be part of the cast ensemble and has been individually listed as one of the nominees of the award. The actress' involvement in the film is the first time she has ever received a major award nomination and cast ensemble nominations, in the past she was received three individual award nominations of barely known awards.--TidalOuburst (talk) 14:59, 16 December 2010 (UTC)


 * You're asking us to judge a dispute over the content of a Wikipedia article. However, this is a Reference Desk, not a place to ask questions about Wikipedia itself.  I would start at Requests for comment if I were you, so you can get other editors to weigh in.  Comet Tuttle (talk) 17:55, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

different baseball
I remember back in Gr.7 or 8, my classmates sign up for this middle school's team and this sport they were playing was something different from because this sport doesn't allow runners to steal a base? Do you know the name of this sport? This was in Canada. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.89.42.65 (talk) 15:20, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Lots of baseball codes don't allow runners to steal bases, and it is still baseball. Little League Baseball does not allow base stealing, for example.  -- Jayron  32  15:29, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I would assume that it's still called baseball. Were there any other rule differences? Not all leagues allow stealing. I've been in leagues that allowed no leading off, leading off but no stealing, and stealing. I was playing baseball in all three leagues. I'm not sure what all of the regular rules of softball are, but that's another very similar sport that has several distinct differences. --Onorem♠Dil 15:31, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * The only universal distinctions between softball and baseball are the size of the ball and the method of delivery of the pitch. Softball uses a larger ball and mandates underhanded pitching, while baseball uses a smaller ball and allows a wider range of pitching options.  -- Jayron  32  15:37, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Again, it probably depends on specific leagues. The size of the 'softball' I assume is standard, but I don't know that I'd agree that baseball allows a wider range of pitching options. I'm unfortunately reduced to D-league corporate softball these days (though that has it's own benefits I suppose) and if balks were called, it would be a different game. Just throwing out options. --Onorem♠Dil 16:40, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * The size of a softball is variable. I have known of at least three sizes. There is also "slow pitch" and "fast pitch" softball. The former requires the pitcher to arch the pitch in a way that ensures it will come in fairly slowly. The latter is a lot more like baseball, in that pitchers can throw a variety of style and speed of pitches, except they require an underhand delivery (as baseball itself did prior to 1884 or so). Throwing underhand, fast-pitch pitchers can throw a "rise", kind of a flipped-over slider or fast curve, which can be very difficult to hit. Baseball allows overhand pitching but doesn't require it. There have been a number of successful underhand pitchers in baseball. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:17, 16 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Is Rounders played in Canada? I do not believe that it generally allows stealing bases, though it's several decades since I played it. 87.81.230.195 (talk) 00:38, 17 December 2010 (UTC)


 * When I was a kid, the neighborhood kids and I would play baseball without stealing simply because it would have been too easy due to the fact that we didn't have enough players to field all the positions. If we allowed it, just getting on base would nearly always lead to at least a triple.  Dismas |(talk) 11:48, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, youth baseball is played usually on a 60 or 50 foot diamond, compared to a 90 foot diamond in adult baseball. Since the act of stealing depends on the speed of the runner compared to the reaction time of the catcher, the situation may just be that, on such a scaled diamond, the catcher is at such a disadvantage that stealing doesn't make sense.  Furthermore, stealing tends to be a dangerous play.  You often have two players and a ball arriving in VERY close proximity, often with spikes in the air.  The play may just be too dangerous for very young players to execute without sufficient risk of injury. -- Jayron  32  15:28, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * When I played baseball as a kid (in Canada...I don't think it was specifically Little League, but something like that), we were allowed to steal, and usually the catcher never bothered to throw the ball. I don't think we were allowed to slide though - but we played on gravel so that was probably a good idea. (I do remember getting caught stealing once because I overran the bag...)Adam Bishop (talk) 03:44, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

leaf green
where can I get the hms in pokemon leaf green? Pokemonmaster007 (talk) 16:25, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * A good place that I like to look for video game advice (especially for games as widely played as Pokemon) is GameFAQs. Indeed, they have several walkthroughs of the game: .  They also have a TM and HM list that describes briefly where they can all be found. Buddy431 (talk) 16:43, 16 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Another highly recommended site is Bulbapedia. See for HM01, for example. 83.81.50.146 (talk) 08:11, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Bill Maynard
I've come across old episodes of Coronation Street from 1969/70 in which Bill Maynard is listed as part of the cast but is not mentioned on your articles about him. I can't remember the charachter that he played could you help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.41.112.136 (talk) 20:37, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * According to IMDb, he played "Mickie Malone" in one episode. Clarityfiend (talk) 21:04, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Six episodes in March 1970 according to Corriepedia. Peter E. James (talk) 18:34, 17 December 2010 (UTC)