Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Entertainment/2010 December 18

= December 18 =

catherine thompson
Can someone please create a Catherine Thompson article, and if Biz Kid$ is her only role, can you redirect the name to the Biz Kid$ article? It would be much appreciated either way, thanks. N.I.M. (talk) 01:07, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
 * You can request articles here, but why not just do it yourself? You could also make the redirect yourself, but I'm not sure how useful it would be. Matt Deres (talk) 01:35, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Eh? She's not listed in IMDb's credits for Biz Kid$, and the only Catherine Thompson identified as an actress in IMDb doesn't exactly satisfy WP:Notability (people). Clarityfiend (talk) 04:39, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Don't rely on that sight, it often doesn't have all the information, just what people feel like posting there. If you live somewhere with PBS, catch the next episode of biz kid$, and read the credits for the voice of Capitalest Peg, or the Biz Kids Biz Quiz. Would this be her only notable show anyway, and i don't know how to do the redirect, and if i remember, there is another stupid capsha thing, which makes my screen reader go wonkey. N.I.M. (talk) 14:23, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Keep in mind, the articles for shows such as Wordgirl and Cyberchase have cast members that IMDB doesn't even acknowledge were in the show, i.e. Elizabeth Jones as the Poddling in Cyberchase, or Amy Cederis as Ms. Davis on wordgirl. The Catherine Thompson is no different, she was in biz kids, but like the two examples i just mentioned, the users of IMDB are too lazy to put that in. That is why I wouldn't rely soley on IMDB for info. If it does turn out that i am wrong about the girl's name, please, don't just revert the change i made a couple months ago, at least put the name of the voice for Capitalest Peg, and the Biz Kids Biz Quiz host, as these two characters are recurring and should get some mention. I am not dissing IMDB, i'm mearly telling the truth, and frankly, i am nowhere near ashamed of it. N.I.M. (talk) 14:27, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not disputing that she may be a member of the cast. However, if she doesn't have enough fans for them to take the trouble to add her to IMDb, that's a pretty damning sign that she doesn't satisfy our actor standards for inclusion, which are a lot more stringent than IMDb's. Clarityfiend (talk) 21:39, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

She is going to get more credits sune, if my plans work. But it still is a valid point for the article, for those curious people who are unable to read the credits or who are trying to research who does these characters, this way they can come to our sight, and go away being able to say "Catherine Thompson voices these characters, i know thanks to Wikipedia!", and if IMDB doesn't want to do that, then too bad for them. N.I.M. (talk) 00:31, 19 December 2010 (UTC) If anyone is asking for a source for Catherine Thompson, If you get PBS in your area wherever you live, see if Biz Kid$ comes on in your area, and check the credits. Like i stated various times, she voices Capitalest Peg, and hosts the Biz Kids Biz Quiz, as well as doing additional voices for the show. And if anyone wants to flag my source as POV, then that person has issues, it's an observation and and what someone read when they read the credits to me. Just telling people before they start thinking that to clairify it. Thanks, I will continue this disgussion on my talk page, look for the heading "Catherine Thompson", and we'll see what i can do if some no-brainer decides to delete that from Biz Kid$. Thanks for your time. sorry about the length. N.I.M. (talk) 14:15, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Not to sound like I'm accusing you of bad faith, but it sounds to me like this article is being requested for promotional, marketing purposes and not necessarily because she is a notable person with something encyclopedic that can be written about her. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk &bull; contributions) 22:11, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

The reason why i mention this is because i have gotten numerous messages on my talk page about Catherine, and by what I understand about them, the users do not believe me, and one has mentioned that they might remove her name from the article. I'm not trying to market or whatever. I'm mearly also trying to find out if Biz Kid$ is the only show she's notable for, or if she is notable for other shows that she did voices in such as her minor roles on Kids Next Door, Majic Schoolbuss, and Kim Possible. No marketing or promoting going on, my plan is mearly to have Catherine Thompson as a voice for a character  in a movie idea that i'm going to send to 20th century or Warner Brothers. N.I.M. (talk) 23:13, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * You realize that most studios throw away, unread, suggestions that don't come in through an agent? APL (talk) 01:25, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

I'll believe that if the next message about this comes from the girl who voices Dora Maddingly on Danny Phantom. can we stay on the catherine thompson subject please, unless the girl who voices dora maddingly on danny phantom replies? see my talk page to continue this. Heading: Catherine Thompson. N.I.M. (talk) 02:00, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Some music notes in the novel Clockwork
Could anyone be so kind as to convert into music? I'd be so much obliged. 66.108.223.179 (talk) 01:42, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Not sure what you mean by "convert it into music", since it already is in standard music notation. Do you mean an audiofile?  --   Jack of Oz    ... speak! ...   10:01, 18 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Here it is in MIDI format: Some music notes in the novel Clockwork --Bavi H (talk) 06:11, 19 December 2010 (UTC)


 * It has a certain ragtime feel to it. Maybe this is a passage from The Entertainer or a similar Scott Joplin tune?  -- Jayron  32  06:24, 19 December 2010 (UTC)


 * It's definitely not The Entertainer and I somehow doubt it's by Joplin at all. I've never come across a ragtime piece written in 6/8.  Not even sure such a beast exists at all, but I'm willing to be convinced.  --   Jack of Oz    ... speak! ...   06:30, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * (For Jack) Joplin's March Majestic and Antoinette are in 6/8. Rmhermen (talk) 13:25, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, thanks, Rmhermen. Ask and you shall receive.  --   Jack of Oz    ... speak! ...   16:43, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, you're right. I was going by the dotted rhythm to it, which matches the opening of The Entertainer.  But the Entertainer is clearly in 4 time, and has a different tune.  -- Jayron  32  06:34, 19 December 2010 (UTC)


 * That syncopated 6/8 pattern is similar to that of a gigue. See, for example, Bach's Goldberg variation a tempo di Giga. ---Sluzzelin talk  13:53, 19 December 2010 (UTC)


 * If 66.108.223.179 is talking about this Clockwork, it might be the tune "The Flowers of Lapland" mentioned in the plot summary. But when I searched online for more information about that tune, I couldn't find anything. --Bavi H (talk) 09:35, 19 December 2010 (UTC)


 * I thought he made it up himself. Thank you SO MUCH for the midi. I don't know how to read music notes! 66.108.223.179 (talk) 14:41, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Financing of pop star concert tours
When some pop star like Kylie Minogue goes on tour with an elaborate show with lots of dancers and expensive sets, who puts the money up to create it (before it gets any money back from ticket sales)? Where does the money come from? (I know its going to be a company, but who owns the company, makes the decisions, and where does the money in the company come from?) Thanks 92.15.1.13 (talk) 20:17, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
 * It's probably Minogue herself, via corporate sponsorship. Artists make vanishingly little money on recording anymore, so touring is the source of most of their income.  The initial start-up money for a tour is likely obtained via "sponsorship", where someone (like say, Coca-Cola or something like that) pays for extensive advertising and marketing during the tour; the money made from ticket sales (less expenses) is kept by the performer, usually via some sort of shell company, like perhaps Kylie Minogue Inc., which manages the business aspect of her career.  -- Jayron  32  20:21, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Um, isn't this what concert promoters do, perhaps with the help of the artist's record label? -- Mwalcoff (talk) 01:45, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * The article appears to only relate to practice in the US of A, although it dosnt bother to say so. 92.15.2.0 (talk) 12:36, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Usually an artist's label would have a promotional subsidiary. For example, Mushroom Records who released some of Kylie's albums own one of the biggest concert promoters in Australia: The Frontier Touring Company. So at least one concert of Kylie's that I know of in Australia was financed by them. Vespine (talk) 01:02, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Although it seems to Joe Public that the pop star does everything, I think in reality he or she is just the willing puppet of her management company or record company, who make the decisions and arrange things. Am I wrong? 92.15.26.185 (talk) 16:44, 22 December 2010 (UTC)