Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Entertainment/2010 February 10

= February 10 =

Bach's St. John's Passion recording
In your article on this Passion, you provide a link to a video performance of the opening piece -- Herr, unser Herrscher, dessen Ruhm -- but no info about conductor, choir, album number, etc., so one can purchase it. Anyone know the answer? Quinqua (talk) 00:22, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * The conductor seems to be György Vashegyi (no article on English or even Hungarian Wikipedia). See here for visual comparison. I guess it might well be "his" Purcell Choir ("Purcell Kórus") and Orfeo Orchestra ("Orfeo Zenekar"). To make it easier for other volunteers: Article is Johannes Passion, YouTube clip is here. 80.219.8.3 (talk) 01:06, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * "This article may require cleanup to meet Wikipedia's quality standards." They're not kidding - I'm surprised such a major work has such a poorly-written article. Added to my watchlist to remind me to have a go at it. AndrewWTaylor (talk) 09:20, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually on looking again I see it's not that bad, but it could still do with some TLC. AndrewWTaylor (talk) 10:11, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * One of the older comments on the YouTube video is from a person who says he participated in this performance, as a bass in the chorus. He identifies Vashegyi, the Purcell Choir, and Orfeo Orchestra, the performance having taken place in 2004 at the Music Academy in Budapest.  The logo seen in the video is that of the Hungarian television channel m2.  I could not find any information about a CD or DVD release, so it may be that it has never been made available for purchase.  ReverendWayne (talk) 01:30, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

ultra in sports rivalry
In the big 4 US sports (baseball, basketball, football, hockey), how many championships have been played where both teams are from the same city (or very close like Oakland-SanFran)? Googlemeister (talk) 21:14, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * It's never happened in the NHL, although the Stanley Cup was contested between two teams from Winnipeg in 1901. Montreal-Ottawa would be the next closest, also pre-NHL. In the NHL era the closest teams are New York-Philadelphia in 1980. Adam Bishop (talk) 21:32, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, the sport with the most crosstown rivalries will be baseball, since at one point, there were three teams inhabiting the greater New York area (Yankees, Dodgers and Giants) and have been two teams in New York since the 60s with the introduction of the Mets. So, you may want to look at Subway Series. Philly had two teams, the Phillies and the Athletics up until A's moved to Kansas City in 1955, and they had the City Series. Both Chicago teams, the Cubs and White Sox, have never played in a World Series together, but their interleague games are called the Crosstown Classic. The only teams in football that are fairly close to one another are the Giants/Jets and, like you mentioned, the Raiders/49ers. Both combinations of teams have never played each other in the Super Bowl. For NBA, the Rochester Royals played the New York Knicks in 1951. As for hockey, the closest two teams I can think of would be the Buffalo Sabres/Toronto Maple Leafs, who have never played against each other. Hope that helps! Livewireo (talk) 21:39, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Well NHL has closer teams but I guess putting the Islanders, the Devils and the Rangers all in the same division would preempt my scenario. Googlemeister (talk) 21:40, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the Devils and Rangers are only 20 minutes apart, but they can't play against each other in the current setup. Adam Bishop (talk) 21:47, 10 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Ahem. The Chicago Cubs and White Sox played each other in the 1906 World Series.  The New York Giants and Yankees played in 1921, then again in 1922 and 1923, and again in 1936 and 1937.   The Yankees and the Brooklyn Dodgers played in 1941, and again in 1947 and 1949.  The Yankees and Giants played in 1951, the Yankees and Dodgers in 1952 and 1953, and again in 1955 and 1956.  The Oakland Athletics and San Francisco Giants played each other in 1989 (the earthquake series).  The New York Yankees and New York Mets played in 2000.  Woogee (talk) 22:25, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * The New York Giants and Buffalo Bills played in Super Bowl XXV, that may be the two closest teams to play each other, the San Francisco 49ers and San Diego Chargers played each other, that's another intrastate Super Bowl, though not that close geographically. The Giants and New England Patriots, though not in the same state, are not that far apart.  Woogee (talk) 22:28, 10 February 2010 (UTC)


 * As mentioned, the NY Giants and Jets are NFL's only pair in the same city. However, there was another pair from 82-94, the LA Raiders and LA Rams.  They never played in the Super Bowl against each other.  If you want to go into the AFL (pre NFL), Houston and Dallas played in the AFL's championship in 1962. --  k a i n a w &trade; 22:58, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * The Rams actually played in Anaheim the last 14 years of their time in Southern California. Woogee (talk) 23:28, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Giants-Yankees in 1921-22 (Polo Grounds), and Browns-Cardinals in 1944 (Sportsman's Park), shared home field. And Yankee Stadium (opened 1923) was just across the river from the Polo Grounds. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:59, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
 * The Los Angeles Dons of the All-America Football Conference played in the Los Angeles Coliseum at the same time that the Rams did, from 1946-1949, when the AAFC folded and the Dons were disbanded. Woogee (talk) 20:10, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Summary:
 * MLB: 1906 (Cubs-Sox), 1921, 22, 23, 36, 37, 51 (Giants-Yankees), 1941, 47, 49, 52, 53, 55, 56 (Yankees-Dodgers), 1944 (Cardinals-Browns), 1989 (Giants-A's), 2000 (Yankees-Mets) -- The Giants and Dodgers played in an early "World Series" in 1889, when Brooklyn was in the American Association.
 * NFL: None. Closest is probably the 1952-4 NFL championships between the Browns and Lions (96 miles)
 * NBA: None, and unlikely due to the East-West set-up. Closest would probably be the 1948 BAA Finals between Baltimore and Philadelphia if we're counting the BAA years and the 1951 Finals between Rochester and New York if we're not.
 * NHL: None, and unlikely due to the East-West set-up. Closest would be the 1980 Finals between the Islanders and Flyers.
 * Honorable mentions: Ohio State and Cincinnati met in the finals of the 1961 and 1962 NCAA men's basketball tournament. #3 Florida played #1 Florida State in the 1997 Sugar Bowl (#2 Arizona State was obligated to play in the Rose Bowl). -- Mwalcoff (talk) 00:03, 11 February 2010 (UTC)


 * It also happened once in the 19th century National League/American Association World Series. See List of pre-World Series baseball champions.  In 1886 the NL New York Giants defeated the AA Brooklyn Bridegrooms.  If the series had been held in 1891, then it would have paired the Boston teams from both leagues.  -- Jayron  32  03:55, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Cool thanks guys, am still looking forward to a Dodgers-Angels World Series. Googlemeister (talk) 14:31, 11 February 2010 (UTC)