Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Entertainment/2010 January 13

= January 13 =

John Malkovitch
I haven't seen too many films casting him, but in The Man in the Iron Mask, he seems to be exceedingly meticulous in his pronunciation of words.
 * 1) Does anyone else notice this, or is it just me?  Or is this his "a reedy, faintly orgasmic drawl"?
 * 2) Is that John, or is that how he 'acts'?
 * 3) It seems sort of out of place, as Malkovitch not only doesn't have a European accent but overarticulates his words to such a near intolerable extent that it sort of screams "I'm NOT French!"  I mean, is this sort of exuberant pronunciation be an intention of the producer/director/etc. or do they just get stuck with it if this is how John reads his lines?  DRosenbach  ( Talk 04:36, 13 January 2010 (UTC)


 * He always does that. That's just how he talks normally. Adam Bishop (talk) 04:50, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
 * OK -- thanx!  DRosenbach  ( Talk 14:24, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I have seen several John Malkovitch movies, and will second Adam Bishop on this; he pretty much always talks the same way, be it Dangerous Liasons or Being John Malkovitch. The one notable exception is Rounders, where he plays a Russian mobster, and speaks with a Russian accent; though notable with a recognizably Malkovitchian cadance... He's one of those actors like Christopher Walken, who have an idiosyncratic way of speaking that has become part of every character they play.  -- Jayron  32  21:14, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Yep, heard him on NPR before during an interview. He just talks that way.  He enunciates very well.  Dismas |(talk) 21:56, 13 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Another instance where he does change his distinct enunciation for the part is Lennie Small in Of Mice and Men. ---Sluzzelin talk  13:42, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Cameras at AC/DC show
Are fans allowed to take cameras to the shows on the Australian leg of AC/DC's Black Ice World Tour? 114.74.163.109 (talk) 12:19, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Policies on this matter are usually set by the venues, unless the artist has made specific requests. The back of your ticket will usually contain terms and conditions, one of which is normally "no photography, recording, etc".  In my experience most large venues usually say this, although how much you might get away with taking the odd photo is a moot point.  Some venues insist on searching people's bags on entry, and they might confiscate your camera if they're particularly draconian.  If you can get it in, you might get away with taking the odd photo, especially towards the end of the concert.  Sometimes security guards wander around the audience looking for people taking photos and tell them to cease and desist.  In the age of the camera phone, of course, such actions are pointless. --Richardrj talkemail 12:52, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the information. I looked at the back of my ticket and it reads "Cameras, audio and video recorders may not be permitted." 114.74.163.109 (talk) 13:30, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

miss labeled album
Can someone refer me to the right people to find out more about a miss labeled album that I have. I purchased the album in the 70s. It is the cars candy-o album that has the doors lable on one side and candy-o on the onther. I am wondering how many were released mess labeled and how many are left or do I have the only one. So far I have been able to find nothing on this subject and it driving me crazy. Any help would be greatly appreciated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sinde (talk • contribs) 23:11, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I noticed your question higher up on this board, and while I can give you no satisfactory answer, I would suggest you give us more information - you could let us know just how it is the album is miss-labeled. The article on the album says nothing about a miss-labeled series, so you could have a collectible on your hands, but as I said, give us more information and someone more knowledgeable than me might show up and tell you more. TomorrowTime (talk) 23:38, 13 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I had spent a few minutes trying to google some information about whether there was a collector's market for misprinted record albums, in the same way there is a sizable market for coin errors, but I came up with no information. Comet Tuttle (talk) 00:19, 14 January 2010 (UTC)


 * In short... If it is not known that an album was mislabelled, collectors will not want to collect it. If collectors do not want to collect it, it will not have any substantial value.  Because there is an extreme lack of information online about mislabelled versions of that album, it is very likely that practically nobody has interest in it. It is far more likely that it isn't a "mislabelled" album at all.  It is just a bad counterfeit.  When I was in Turkey, I found many bad counterfeit albums such as Motleu Cruu, Lead Zeppellin, and The Beetles. They have absolutely no collector value. --  k a i n a w &trade; 00:59, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Not sure I agree with that. Just because no-one has yet identified any other copies of this mislabel doesn't mean it has no value.  On the contrary, it would probably imply that there are very few copies floating around, which would make it even more collectable.   Record collectors are a quixotic bunch of people and I wouldn't mind betting there is a Cars fan out there somewhere in the world who would be very interested indeed in a copy of the album that has the wrong label on one side. Also, when you talk about counterfeit albums, are you talking about LPs or CDs? In my experience there are plenty of counterfeit (pirated) CDs out there but very few LPs.  In the pre-CD era pirates would have taken the form of cassettes rather than LPs.  An LP that has just been incorrectly labelled at the pressing plant is very unlikely to be a counterfeit. --Richardrj talkemail 08:41, 14 January 2010 (UTC)


 * To put it differently, imagine if I claimed to have a rare Mickey Mantle card that nobody else has ever heard of or ever seen. What would the value be?  Likely, it would be worthless.  Collectors place value on collectibles.  If the collectors don't know it exists, they don't place value on it.  So, if there is a known mislabelled Cars album, they would have already placed a value on it and that value would be known.  Someone - at least one person - would likely have a website stating the value of Cars collectible albums.  Google is unable to locate any site discussing mislabelled Cars albums, which leads me to believe that collectors don't know of mislabelled Cars albums and aren't placing value on them. --  k a i n a w &trade; 13:31, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I disagree. If you have a previously unknown Mickey Mantle card and you make a public statement snnouncing your find, you will get Mickey Mantle card collectors falling over themselves to buy it.  This happened a few years ago with the Velvet Underground's début album.  A previously unknown acetate was found at a flea market containing entirely different takes of several songs on the album.  It sold for $25,000.  I'm not suggesting any kind of collectable equivalence between the Velvet Underground and the Cars, but you get my point. --Richardrj talkemail 13:41, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I'd be inclined to go along with your reasoning. If the OP makes it known on some collectors' venue, he'll likely find out if it has value or not. And it doesn't hurt to try. The worst they can do is to tell him that it's not valuable. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 13:57, 14 January 2010 (UTC)


 * And that is my point... It has no value now. It may have value if collectors find out about it and show interest in it.  That value will be in the future, should collectors be interested.  But now it has no special value. --  k a i n a w &trade; 14:07, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I see your point but I don't think it's a very interesting contribution to the debate. If no-one knows about it then obviously it's not going to have any value at this point in time.  Anyway I think we're all a bit guilty of answering the question we want to answer rather than the one the OP asked, which was how many copies of this thing are out there.  The answer to that question is probably not available.  The answer to the possibly more interesting question of "what is my copy worth?" is not "nothing" but "it's worth whatever collectors are willing to pay for it, you need to ask some collectors." --Richardrj talkemail 14:15, 14 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I didn't notice he changed his question when he re-asked it. I thought he was still asking what it is worth and I didn't want to answer with my personal opinion of what it might be worth. --  k a i n a w &trade; 16:14, 14 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Let me ask this question like this. I purchased a miss labeled Cars Candy-O album.  It is labeled The Doors Greatest Hits on side 1 and Candy-O on side 2.  The album was purchased at the time the album was released and it was a store purchase.  I was purchased in a small town in the four corners area of New Mexico.  The album is not a fake and I am sure that both artist were on the Electra label.  I have all of the numbers for this pressing as the album was not used much and is very good shape.  I have found that miss labeling happend on occasion.  I wonder if I have the only one that made it to market or if there are more of these albums out there.  I have purchased a good deal of vinyl in my day and this a one and only for me. I just don't know who to contact to find the history on this album.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sinde (talk • contribs) 22:54, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

I understood exactly what kind of record you meant, but unfortunately I don't think there's any more help we can give you. We've already told you that there doesn't appear to be any mention of this label mispress on the internet. So we've kind of reached a dead end I'm afraid. My advice to you is to seek out a Cars fan forum and post your query there. Then you might find someone who knows something about this thing. --Richardrj talkemail 23:09, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Your mislabeled album may be unique. It would have been a simple matter of one Doors label getting into a batch of Cars labels, either at the plant where the labels were printed or the one where the record was pressed.  But there's really no way to know, unless another copy turns up.  From my own long experience, I can say that an error like this has little or no additional value to collectors.  A similarly mislabeled album by the Beatles might be an exception to the rule, but then there are some very devoted and obsessive Beatles collectors out there.  ReverendWayne (talk) 16:46, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Agree with ReverendWayne. Odds seem to me to be pretty good that it's a unique error which adds basically no value to the record.  It's a curiosity, but not in the same league as the Butcher Cover or the Freewheelin' Bob Dylan with the extra songs.  I'd think your best bet would be to hit a record convention, seek out somebody dealing in albums of a similar genre/era, and ask.  Human beings, especially those with interests in things, sometimes turn out to be repositories of knowledge that never made it on the internet. Some jerk on the Internet (talk) 14:51, 19 January 2010 (UTC)