Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Entertainment/2010 July 5

= July 5 =

Soccer post-goal excitement
We’ve all seen it a thousand times on TV. They’re playing a soccer match, when suddenly a goal is scored. We then see vision of the scoring player, running wildly, sometimes with shirt off, waving it about as he runs.

Firstly, just exactly where is he running to? It seems to be more-or-less down to the opposite end of the field, but it’s hard to tell because we almost only ever see the player from the shoulder up and there’s little other discernible detail to help work out his destination. Is the far end necessarily where the player now needs to be; or is it just unrestrained uber-exuberance at having actually scored a goal, in a game where a nil-all draw is the most common outcome? Why never any other expression of excitement – jumping up and down, manly hugging, back slapping, whatever – as occur in other ball games?

Secondly, why does the camera almost always only show us the running player shoulder-high? Why not a full-body shot once in a while? Do they not realise just how predictably clichéd this type of vision is? (Jack of Oz =) 202.142.129.66 (talk) 04:38, 5 July 2010 (UTC)


 * The camera shows all sorts of different angles of this, as far as I have seen. It is usually accompanied by the other players trying to catch him.  Sometimes I have seen the guy jump into the stands.  I don't know why they do that, but it sometimes happens in hockey too. Adam Bishop (talk) 05:12, 5 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Answer: Soccer makes no sense. --mboverload @ 06:04, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Goals occur so rarely in soccer, especially at the highest levels of competition (i.e. FIFA World Cup), that players are justifiably excited when they score. I do wish the players had more interesting ways of celebrating than running to the edge of the field and sliding on their knees (see NFL).  Hemoroid Agastordoff (talk) 06:15, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * See Goal celebration. The answer to the first question is - it varies.  Sometimes they will run to their own players, sometimes towards their own supporters in the crowd, sometimes towards their bench, sometimes towards a fixed point such as the corner flag where they carry out rehearsed choreographed celebrations.  The most extravagant celebrations take place in the most important club and international matches - where, after all, a single goal can affect not only prestige but also prize money, investments and player bonuses going well into the millions of pounds/dollars/whatever.  Incidentally, the most frequent score in the English Premier League is 1-0, not 0-0. Ghmyrtle (talk) 06:56, 5 July 2010 (UTC)


 * It makes even less sense when you consider that the player will receive an automatic yellow card for removing their shirt. If this shirt-removal is a compulsion that can't be resisted, have they always done it in soccer (I don't think so), do they do it in other sports (I don't think so), do they do it when they will face suspension for the booking (I doubt it).  All OR but, seriously, has anyone researched what's going on in their heads when they do this? --Frumpo (talk) 06:57, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Here is an instructive documentary--Frumpo (talk) 07:13, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * In hockey (well, in the NHL at least), a player gets a match penalty for losing his shirt (usually in a fight). Adam Bishop (talk) 13:01, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * In my 1960s childhood in England, there was much disgust from the older generation when players would form a huddle around the goal scorer and (quelle horreur) give him a kiss in the excitement of the moment. Before that, a well brought up chap would allow himself a bit of a grin and expect a pat on the back from the captain. All these unsporting demonstrations of emotion originated in Europe and other foreign places. Perhaps we shouldn't have shown them how to play the game in the first place. Alansplodge (talk) 17:33, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks all, particularly to Ghmyrtle. I know we have an article on everything, but I never thought "everything" would have included goal celebration. There you go. --  Jack of Oz    ... speak! ...   20:10, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

What is the music in the Woot video?
What is the music Woot used in their video here: http://www.woot.com/blog/viewentry.aspx?id=13391 ? If they composed it specially, what is the most similar thing (instrumentally) that could be used to back a similar style rap? Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.115.66.182 (talk) 04:47, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * It's a basic beat that could be created using most any electronic keyboard. Dismas |(talk) 06:03, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks - being that I'm on of the minority who seems unable -  could you point me to somewhere I can find more explicit instructions, or a recording? I'm trying to create something similar in Garageband. Thank you!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.115.66.182 (talk) 06:05, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Badminton game
reputed Sir, I am from Thrissur District. I am very much Interested to play in in Badminton tournaments. I have to be a great player. Please inform me about the way I have to follow for fulfilling my aim .Where I have to contact for this ? Yours faithfully, Vinayan —Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.225.22.254 (talk) 09:07, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * You would be best served asking your local badminton associations/clubs. For example, http://www.badmintonindia.org/ --mboverload @ 09:26, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

2 girls 1 cup
my friend said the girls are lesbians. is it true or is he joking/homophobic? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.186.8.236 (talk) 13:07, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * It's virtually impossible to tell, but it's probable they are kissing and sexually interacting for a coprophilic purpose, and that alone. They probably signed a contract saying they wanted to do the film.-- Editor510  drop us a line, mate  18:06, 5 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Listen, if you're eating poo and vomit for money I'm guessing you probably don't have a problem with doing it with another women. --mboverload @ 21:51, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

NBA salary cap
This Lebron James and other free agent situation is interesting to me so I've read about it a lot. But, one thing I don't get is the fact that Amare Stoudemire is apparently possibly getting a 5 year, $100 million contract from the Knicks (assuming Lebron doesn't go there probably). He has played 1 year more than Lebron/Wade, so he should be in the same tier as far as pay as they are. But, I did see that a player can get 105% of their previous salary, so I understand that Amare can get about $17.1 million next year, even though Lebron and Wade and others can only get $16.7 million. So, again, the question is, why is there talk of Amare getting $20 million a year when he should have a max of $17.1 million? I had the thought that it could be a sign and trade and I know he could make more then but I haven't seen anything that says it would be a sign and trade. I have seen several places talk of 5 years, $100 million but never mentioning sign and trade. Thanks. StatisticsMan (talk) 15:06, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * 5 year, $100 million doesn't mean he gets paid $20 million every year. Contracts in team sports invariably go up each year.  I am more familiar with the NFL than the NBA contract structure, but its quite easy to imagine that the salary cap would go up each year; AND that the maximum contract would go up each year, so that while Amare may only may $17.1 million in year 1, he could be making $22.9 million in year 5 of the contract.  The deal is that the contract distributes a total of $100 million over 5 years, but it does not need to do so evenly.  -- Jayron  32  05:36, 6 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the response, and I think perhaps you are correct. I just read an article about Chris Bosh, who I have also seen estimates of $16.7 million or whatever for next year, and it says he can get a 5 year, $96 million contract if he goes to another team (or $126 million over 6 if he stays with Toronto or does a sign and trade).  And, Amare can get paid slightly more because of a rule saying a new contract can be for 105% of previous year's salary, even if that's above the max.  So, this makes sense now I think.  Thanks.  StatisticsMan (talk) 18:21, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Are there any team sports where more than two teams compete against each other
Apologies if this question has been asked before - it's not an easy one to search for. I was thinking about team sports and wondering whether there are any where more than two teams compete against each other at the same time (excluding things like rowing or cycling which are simply races).

I guess I’m imagining some form of football (in any of its many varieties) played by three teams, perhaps on a hexagonal pitch. But it seems like there’d be some real challenges from a game theoretical point of view in creating a stable scoring system that doesn’t just result in two sides teaming up against one for the whole game. So are there any sports that work in any way similar to this? --OpenToppedBus - Talk to the driver 15:24, 5 July 2010 (UTC)


 * On June 26, 1944, there was a famous exhibition game put on by the three New York City baseball teams - the New York Yankees, the New York Giants and the Brooklyn Dodgers. Each team took one turn at bat, one on defense, and then sat out one half inning. The full game was played over 9 innings, like a regular game, but each team batted and fielded 6 times, while sitting out six times. Final score: Dodgers 5, Yankees 1, Giants 0. See here: . Also see this thread --Xuxl (talk) 19:28, 5 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Formula One has twelve teams with two drivers in each team. Many Olympic events feature many teams playing together (eg. any relay event, synchronised swimming).  Yacht racing.   Astronaut (talk) 12:22, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The question excluded events which were "simply races". --Anon, 05:40 UTC, July 7, 2010.


 * I should have realised, of course that Wikipedia has an article about everything, and just found Three sided football, which is exactly the sort of thing I had in mind. Three sides, on a hexagonal pitch, and the key to the scoring system is that it's about how few goals you concede rather than how many you score. --OpenToppedBus - Talk to the driver 13:53, 6 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Just for fun, a fictional example. In Myth Directions, one of the MythAdventures humorous fantasy novels by Robert Asprin, Skeeve and his buddies arrive at a place where some sort of put-the-ball-in-the-goal game is about to be played, and are admitted as a third team in the game, with field being remade in a triangular shape.  The game's one rule of conduct is "players must not use edged weapons on each other".  This matters for Skeeve's teammate General Badaxe, who always carries a huge, razor-sharp double-edged ax, but he promises not to use it on another player, so that's all right.  Then at one point during the game Badaxe uses it to cut the ball in half, and the game's final score is 1&frac12;–1&frac12;–1!  --Anonymous, 23:36 UTC, July 7, 2010, copyedited later.

Identify a movie
I saw this movie about 2 years ago, i don't remember much about it. I have a feeling it was released in the last few years. It was about this family of farmers, they were making moonshine during the alcohol prohibition. There was 2 brothers and their cousin(a girl). I remember the girl was all nerdy until the end of the movie when she got another look(therefore cool) and helped the plot with that. Mile92 (talk) 20:09, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Dukes of Hazzard? I liked the show but never saw the film, so I might be off.  But the character relationships are spot on.  Dismas |(talk) 00:44, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I haven't seen the film either, but I have a difficult time picturing Daisy Duke/Jessica Simpson as "nerdy". Clarityfiend (talk) 02:19, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree but then she wasn't playing herself. Nor did she write her own lines.  Daisy, in the show, was no idiot.  Dismas |(talk) 02:23, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

FIFA
who is the only soccer team to have the same score in every game they played at a single world cup? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.241.254.68 (talk) 20:22, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * In 1930, Bolivia lost both their matches, to Yugoslavia and Brazil respectively, with the score of 0–4.
 * In 1934, there was only a knockout tournament, so a few teams played one game only.
 * The United States lost 1–7 to Italy.
 * Brazil lost 1–3 to Spain.
 * France lost 2–3 a.e.t. to Austria.
 * Egypt lost 2–4 to Hungary.
 * Romania lost 1–2 to Czechoslovakia.
 * The Netherlands lost 0–3 to Switzerland.
 * Belgium lost 2–5 to Germany.
 * Argentina lost 2–3 to Sweden.
 * In 1938, there was again a knockout tournament only. The following teams only played one game.
 * Belgium lost 1–3 to France.
 * Norway lost 1–2 a.e.t. to Italy.
 * Poland lost 5–6 a.e.t. to Brazil.
 * The Netherlands lost 0–3 a.e.t. to Czechoslovakia.
 * The Dutch East Indies (now Indonesia) lost 0–6 to Hungary. Indonesia never again managed to qualify, so that is Indonesia's only World Cup game in history.
 * In 1950, Bolivia lost their only game, 0–8 to Uruguay.
 * In 1990, Sweden lost all their matches, to Brazil, Scotland and Costa Rica respectively, with the score of 1–2.
 * Is that what you need? --Магьосник (talk) 07:56, 6 July 2010 (UTC)