Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Entertainment/2010 June 3

= June 3 =

Which one was which ?
Last night I enjoyed another viewing of the classic Raising Arizona, one of the best comedy movies of all time - not far behind the best (Blazing Saddles), and at the end there is a scene that Nicholas Cage's characeter HI dreams of Nathan Junior playing gridiron, and being carried upon the shoulders of his team mates after scoring a six pointer. The young actor who played him was Todd Michael Bodgers, born 1968, like myself. Now many years ago I watched an episode of Unsolved Mysteries, and yes it has been a while, but from that I gathered that this actor and a friend of his was murdered, as noted in the episode I saw. But I see that Mr. Bodgers did die - but as IMDB puts it, from driving a faulty car. Now I am confused - and trust me - that is not an unusual occurence, but from the episode hosted all those years ago by Robert Stack, I had gotten the impression it was an actor from Raising Arizona, and that there was a scene in which he was sitting with the son that HI did have in the end, and that within the plot of the movie by some coincidence the real son of HI and the one he kidnapped (Nathan Arizona, Jr.), became friends, and that both or at least one of the actors portraying them in the dream sequence at the end of the film had been murdered. Now is there an alternate ending to the movie, or is it that Unsolved Mysteries was speaking of another film where there were two young actors killed in such a way ? The Russian.202.36.179.66 (talk) 02:01, 3 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't have an answer, but can report that googling that actor only led to hundreds of echoes of the IMDB data. IMDB doesn't require references or truthfulness in the entries, so I take its data with a grain of salt.  Comet Tuttle (talk) 18:05, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Actually, I have seen discrepancies between a number of sources with respect to birth dates and places and such of actors. Who ever wrote the mention of Mr. Bodgers dying in a car crash may have heard he had died, but mixed up the way he did - or not. Thanks, I shall keep looking too. The Russian.202.36.179.66 (talk) 22:51, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Regina Spektor
Does anyone know how many octaves her voice spans? What vocal type is she? 24.189.90.68 (talk) 03:36, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Fawlty Towers missing episode
I understand that there is a book which contains the (alleged) script for an unbroadcast episode of Fawlty Towers. Does anyone know if this script is available online anywhere? (Illegality no obstacle...) Thanks! ╟─ Treasury Tag ►  stannator  ─╢ 14:38, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I believe the rumour of a thirteenth episode started with a misprint in Leslie Halliwell's Film Guide.--TrogWoolley (talk) 16:20, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * We don't point people to copyvio sites. Comet Tuttle (talk) 16:23, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I did not ask to be pointed to a copyvio site. Anyone who wants to direct me to one is more than free to send an email ;) ╟─ Treasury Tag ►  high seas  ─╢ 17:14, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * There is an interview here with writer Lars Holger Holm, who claims to have seen the "thirteenth episode", called "The Robbers", when drunk. Some more details here.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 07:38, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Is that precisely the same site I linked to in my original post, and asked a very specific question after it, perhaps? ╟─ Treasury Tag ►  draftsman  ─╢ 07:50, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * So it is. I'll try to be less helpful next time.  :-) Ghmyrtle (talk) 07:53, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

My brother has the book that I suppose has all twelve episodes of Fawlty in it, scriptwise - I have to admit, I do not know of a thirteenth, but if you wish to email me personally, I can see if I can get it off him - seeing I am the one who bought and owned it before giving it to him, since he collects that sort of memorabilia. (e-mail redacted)   The Russian.202.36.179.66 (talk) 22:48, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * @ The Russian, I have redacted your email address to protect you from possible spamming. The Reference Desk protocol includes all responses to be posted here. 86.4.183.90 (talk) 07:35, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

extra time in football
i know that at half time the teams switch goalposts. do they switch goalposts again before extra time starts or is the goalpost position same as in the second half or something else? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.189.218.131 (talk) 16:31, 3 June 2010 (UTC)


 * In American football, there's a coin flip; and, just as at the beginning of a game, the winner decides whether to kick or receive; and the loser decides what side of the field they want to be facing. See Overtime (sports), which has sections on different sports.  Comet Tuttle (talk) 18:03, 3 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I think he/she is asking about soccer, judging from his/her use of the term "extra time." -- Mwalcoff (talk) 00:02, 4 June 2010 (UTC)


 * "Goal posts" is an American football term. Is this true for Association Football/soccer?  Dismas |(talk) 02:21, 4 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Unless I'm mistaken, the IP is from Singapore, so "goalposts" could be "goals" or "extra time" could be "overtime". It is hard to tell with a non-native speaker. --  k a i n a w &trade; 02:24, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The question seems clear to me: the OP is asking whether, in football, the teams change ends between the end of normal time and the start of extra time.  I don't know the answer, unfortunately.  They do of course change ends at the end of the first period of extra time. --Richardrj talkemail 08:56, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I believe (but haven't found a definitive ref for this) that extra time is in effect treated as a new game, so that they toss for ends at the start of extra time. But I could be wrong.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 12:46, 4 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Sure, but is the question about football, football, football, or football? And if it's the last, is it football, football or football, as they have slightly different with respect to non-regulation time? -- 140.142.20.229 (talk) 00:41, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Nobody in Singapore plays American football! --Aspie aspie (talk) 11:30, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * That could be why he needs to ask. APL (talk) 20:59, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

op here, i want to ask about association football. goalposts is american term? i dont know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.189.218.7 (talk) 10:22, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * For soccer, the usual terminology is to "change ends". Goalposts are simply the vertical posts which form part of the goal - "switching goalposts" is not terminology that would be used in the UK or, I guess, for soccer in the US.  But we understood what you meant, I think. Ghmyrtle (talk) 11:43, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

ok but nobody answered my question. do the teams change ends before extra time starts or play at the same ends as in the first half? someone please answer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.189.217.83 (talk) 09:54, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Without looking it up, I seem to recall the last time I watched a match that went to extra time, there was a second toss and second decision as to which end to defend. If that is the case, then the answer to your question is "that depends on who wins the second toss, and what end they decide to defend". Hope that helps. --TammyMoet (talk) 11:49, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
 * That matches the comment I left here two days ago. :-)  Ghmyrtle (talk) 12:55, 6 June 2010 (UTC)