Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Entertainment/2010 October 14

= October 14 =

online films
hey, i'm an avid watcher of films, but i dont have the money to go to every theater when a new film arives or buy every dvd, and so, like many people around the world, i download films. i have been downloading films since two or three years, and i can say from my experience that new films' torrent links show up in about a week after the release date, but they're all cam versions, the good ones, the HD ones, show up after a month or so. but now i have encountered a problem. inception's been released since june, and 'the american' since about a month and a half ago. but, there's no single HD quality torrent link. does this mean some sort of law enforcement has banned ddownloading films so as to avoid piracy and all, you know... neway, i wanted to ask, does this happen often? does this mean i have to watch them in cam versions, or should i wait?

please help!!!

thanx —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.197.253.54 (talk) 06:55, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I can confirm that there are no non-cam versions of these two films currently circulating. But I think you're wrong when you say that good versions show up after a month or so.  Obviously the main source of good copies is the officially released DVD, and neither of these films has been released on DVD yet.  Inception is out on 6 Dec, for The American it's too soon to say. --Viennese Waltz 07:35, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
 * R5 (bootleg) releases hit the net well before the DVD releases come out. Russian DVDs come out almost immediately. They're ripped and synced up with audio tracks stolen from the hearing-aid jacks in American movies theaters.
 * In this case there are a number of files in the wild, claiming to be R5 versions of 'Inception'. I don't feel like bootlegging a film just to answer a refdesk question, but I would be surprised if the film didn't have a working R5 release yet.
 * The American DVDs are usually better quality than bootlegged R5 releases, so I'd still recommend waiting for the real DVD. I mean, what's the rush? APL (talk) 21:56, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
 * You've explained how do the R5 pirates get the audio, but how do they get the video? --Viennese Waltz 05:35, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The impression I got from what was written here was that the video was from Russian DVD's (meaning they presumably come out a lot sooner than their American counterparts). Vimescarrot (talk) 05:41, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the way I understood it, R5 are low quality official DVD releases that come out almost immediately to counter at least some of the otherwise pirated releases. This then backlashes because people just pirate the R5 release. It's worse quality than "real" DVD but usually better than the generally crappy camera versions, and besides, beggars can't be choosers or something. TomorrowTime (talk) 08:23, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, sorry, I should have been more clear.  The R5 releases hit the net long before the American dvds are released. The way they do this is to marry up DVD rips from russian DVDs (which come out very early) with audio stolen from American theaters. These often look a bit rough because whatever the studios do to optimize a film for viewing on a TV isn't normally done before the Russian release.
 * (The other source of surprisingly early internet bootlegs is the DVDs sent out to the academy awards judges. However, I don't think that happens very often, anymore. They've gotten better at figuring out who leaks those.) APL (talk) 18:03, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Pulp - Common People (album version)
In the song Common People by Pulp, on Different Class, at around the 3:30 mark, Jarvis sings about "a dog lying in the corner", and in the background you can hear someone talking. I've always thought it sounds like a producer saying something like "we've got a light on here" but at the same time, it could be a newsreader talking about "secret service". It doesn't seem to have any relevence to the song and I can't say I've noticed it on the single release (which I've listened to a lot less). Is there any story behind the mystery voice, and what does he say? (sorry I can't link to a copy, but I'm at work...) -- WORM  MЯOW  09:09, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Not an answer to your question, but related. Gibson recently posted a list of some of the greatest imperfections in recordings in rock music. I found it fascinating. Look here: Perhaps the song you are referencing could be added to the list? 10draftsdeep (talk) 22:49, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Chords for this song...
Hey guys, I don't normally do this but I really can't figure out the chords for this song, so I was wondering if anyone good at working out chords in reverse could have a quick look? I figured out the Em and walk up from F to G but that's about it! My main problem is not being able to see the neck very well, but you never know if someone else can read it better. Here's the link:

Any help would be vastly appreciately! Regards, --— Cyclonenim | Chat 19:58, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

This is all relative to his capo position, Capo3 it looks like. The intro looks and sounds like E5-Gmaj7(no5)-Amaj7(no5). The maj7 chords are built on the bass strings, so its basically the 1-3-maj7 notes of each scale (maj7 is the flattened octave), so for Gmaj7 that would be G-B-F#. That chord is familiar because its the base chord for the opening riff for both Money (Pink Floyd song) and One (Metallica song), and probably like 100 other songs. The strumming bit before the singing looks like an open G chord, drop the bass to G/E (you may also call this a type of Em7) then to open Em. During the singing he's fingering some chords, like A7?-A7/G?-Asus4-G6 it looks like, but he's not really playing, just plucking a note once in a while, if anything, more just tapping his guitar for the rhythm. Then he picks up the G-G/E-Em again. He repeats the whole sequeence, then on the "give it to ya staight" part he plays a standard F-bar and walks it from F5-F#5-G5, then he does Em, then the A7-A7/G, then time to F5 ("listen to me good naw"), then open C ("when I say"), Am7 ("you"), Am7/G ("can"), Em ("trust in me"), then F5 ("forever"), G7(no3) ("yeah"), then Am7-Am7/6-Em-F5-G7no3 again 2 more times, when he stops singing, gold the G7no3 for a measure, then drop to Em, then its back to the verse chords (G-G/E-Em between the singing, and A7-A7/G-Asus4-G6 with percussion over the singing). The outro ("I can be the one you need) looks like F5-F#5/A-G5, but with some playing around. So sometimes he lifts his pinky to add the 7th on the F5 and G5, and sometimes he plays an alternate bass note with that pinky (looks like G# on the F chord, and the A# on the G chord).  Play around with this, I am sure I got some wrong, but that's how I read his fingers when the mic stand isn't in the way...


 * E5 = 0-2-2-x-x-x
 * Amaj7(no5) = 5-4-6-x-x-x
 * Gmaj7(no5) = 3-2-4-x-x-x
 * Em = 0-2-2-0-0-0
 * G = 3-2-0-0-3-3
 * G/E = 0-2-0-0-3-3
 * A7? = x-0-2-0-2-0 (little sketchy on this one)
 * A7/G? = 3-0-2-0-2-0 (this may also be Asus2/G. It's hard to see, and he doesn't really strum it)
 * Asus4 = x-0-2-2-3-0
 * G6 = 3-2-0-0-0-0
 * F5 = 1-3-3-2-1-1 (may also be 1-3-3-x-x-x, same for all bar(5) chords here)
 * F#5 = 2-4-4-3-2-2
 * G5 = 3-5-5-4-3-3
 * C = x-3-2-0-1-0
 * Am7 = x-0-2-0-1-0
 * Am7/G = 3-x-2-0-1-0
 * G7(no3) = 3-5-3-4-3-3 (maybe also 3-5-3-x-x-x, this is basically a G-bar chord, but lift the pinky)
 * F#5/A = 5-3-3-x-x-x

That's the best I can do. -- Jayron  32  04:12, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Wow, thanks. That should be more than enough help to work out anything you may have missed. Cheers dude. Regards, --— Cyclonenim | Chat 10:25, 15 October 2010 (UTC)


 * (This is why I regularly read the Reference Desks) Franamax (talk) 05:31, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

biz kid voice again
The voice behind capitalest Peg and the Biz kids biz quiz, is it Jes Brieden(singer of like a waterfall), Catherine thompson(does a few voices on the zula patrol and codename kids next door uncredited), or someone else. If it is someone else, who is it? Note that I'm refering to the worker with the new york accent that is always saying "Brian" when i say 'Capitalest Peg' Who does this voice? 204.112.104.172 (talk) 20:55, 14 October 2010 (UTC)