Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Entertainment/2010 October 7

= October 7 =

Oldest digital television channel
What is the oldest digital television channel? --84.61.131.141 (talk) 13:39, 7 October 2010 (UTC)


 * In the U.S., it is WRAL-TV. -- k a i n a w &trade; 13:56, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Pitcher getting a hit (at bat) and throwing a no-hitter (on the mound) in the same game?
How many/which MLB pitcher(s) have thrown a no-hitter and gotten a hit (at the plate) in the same game? -- Bk314159 (Talk to me and find out what I've done) 18:20, 7 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't know how many times it's happened, but Catfish Hunter got multiple hits (two, I think) when he pitched his perfect game against the Twins. Matt Deres (talk) 20:15, 7 October 2010 (UTC)


 * It probably happened more than you think, there were many no-nos thrown in the AL before the enactment of the designated hitter rule, for example, and pitchers used to be better hitters (c.f Babe Ruth). So prior to the 1970's, every pitcher who threw a no hitter got as many at bats as the position players did.  -- Jayron  32  22:12, 7 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Roy Halladay did it yesterday. It should be easy enough to figure out by browsing through baseball-reference.com; there are a lot of no-hitters, but not an infinite number, and after 1967 or whatever, you only have to look at National League teams. Adam Bishop (talk) 00:22, 8 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Ubaldo Jimenez also did it on April 17 this year. That's two out of the three chances in 2010 (Halladay didn't get a hit in his perfect game in May), so it's probably not rare. Adam Bishop (talk) 00:34, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, here is a list back to 1973, when the DH was implemented in the AL (I don't particularly feel like looking through the 183 no-hitters prior to that, sorry...):
 * Roy Halladay - Oct. 6, 2010
 * Ubaldo Jimenez - April 17, 2010
 * Carlos Zambrano - Sept. 14, 2008
 * A.J. Burnett - May 12, 2001
 * Francisco Cordova - July 12, 1997 (2 hits although Ricardo Rincon won in the 10th)
 * Hideo Nomo - September 17, 1996
 * Kevin Gross - August 17, 1992
 * Dennis Martinez - July 28, 1991
 * Terry Mulholland - August 15, 1990
 * Fernando Valenzuela - June 29, 1990
 * Mike Scott - September 25, 1986
 * Nolan Ryan - September 26, 1981
 * (There were no instances between 1973 and 1981.) So it's not the rarest thing, although it doesn't happen regularly. Adam Bishop (talk) 02:04, 8 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Blargh, I went through the rest as far back as 1920 (Baseball Reference has no box scores earlier than that), and then didn't save the list to paste here. But there are 53 of them, although some did it more than once. Possible tie for greatest athletic performance ever: Catfish Hunter had three hits in his perfect game, and Rick Wise had two home runs in his no-hitter. Adam Bishop (talk) 04:02, 8 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Alright, if anyone is still interested, here is the list, back to 1920 (there are no boxscores on Baseball Reference before that):


 * September 7, 1923 - Howard Ehmke - 2 hits
 * July 17, 1924 - Jesse Haines
 * August 21, 1926 - Ted Lyons
 * April 29, 1931 - Wes Ferrell - 2 hits
 * September 21, 1934 - Paul Dean - 2 hits
 * August 31, 1935 - Vern Kennedy
 * June 11, 1938 - Johnny Vander Meer
 * June 15, 1938 - Johnny Vander Meer - back to back no hitters
 * August 30, 1941 - Lou Warneke
 * April 27, 1944 - Jim Tobin - home run
 * May 15, 1944 - Clyde Shoun - against Tobin
 * September 9, 1945 - Dick Fowler
 * April 23, 1946 - Ed Head
 * June 18, 1947 - Ewell Blackwell
 * July 10, 1947 - Don Black - 2 hits
 * September 3, 1947 - Bill McCahan
 * August 11, 1950 - Vern Bickford
 * May 6, 1951 - Lefty Chambers
 * May 15, 1952 - Virgil Trucks - first of two no-hitters that year
 * May 6, 1953 - Bobo Holloman - 2 hits
 * June 12, 1954 - Jim Wilson
 * May 12, 1955 - Sam Jones - 2 hits
 * May 12, 1956 - Carl Erskine
 * August 20, 1957 - Bob Keegan
 * July 20, 1958 - Jim Bunning -
 * August 18, 1960 - Lew Burdette - 2 hits
 * September 16, 1960 - Warren Spahn
 * June 26, 1962 - Earl Wilson - against Bo Belinsky, who pitched the previous no-hitter
 * August 1, 1962 - Bill Monbouquette
 * August 26, 1962 - Jack Kralick
 * June 4, 1964 - Sandy Koufax
 * June 21, 1964 - Jim Bunning - perfect game
 * August 19, 1965 - Jim Maloney - 2 hits
 * September 10, 1967 - Joe Horlen
 * April 27, 1968 - Tom Phoebus - 2 hits
 * May 8, 1968 - Catfish Hunter - 3 hits, perfect game
 * April 30, 1969 - Jim Maloney
 * August 13, 1969 - Jim Palmer - 2 hits
 * June 23, 1971 - Rick Wise - 2 hits, both home runs
 * August 14, 1971 - Bob Gibson
 * September 26, 1981 - Nolan Ryan
 * September 25, 1986 - Mike Scott
 * June 29, 1990 - Fernando Valenzuela
 * August 15, 1990 - Terry Mulholland
 * July 28, 1991 - Dennis Martinez
 * August 17, 1992 - Kevin Gross
 * September 17, 1996 - Hideo Nomo
 * July 12, 1997 - Francisco Cordova - 2 hits; Ricardo Rincon won in the 10th
 * May 12, 2001 - A.J. Burnett
 * Sept. 14, 2008 - Carlos Zambrano
 * April 17, 2010 - Ubaldo Jimenez
 * October 6, 2010 - Roy Halladay


 * Obviously, before 1973, it happens more often since it could occur in both leagues; it also happens more often the further back you go, I guess because pitchers pitched more often, there were fewer of them, and players were not as specialized as they are today. Adam Bishop (talk) 21:49, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

baseball no hitter
Has a minor league in baseball player ever pitched a complete game no-hitter in AAA ball without ever pitching in the majors during his career? Googlemeister (talk) 19:31, 7 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I can't answer your question directly, but I can tell you that slight variations in the phrasing will greatly affect the answer. Before the modern concept of the farm team (which see) was developed by Branch Rickey, and for a considerable time afterwards, the "minor leagues" were minor only in the sense that they were smaller market, not in the sense they were subordinate to a "major league" team. I bring this up because plenty of fine players spent their whole careers in the minor leagues. In fact, two of the best players to ever play the game (Babe Ruth and Lefty Grove) could have quite conceivably played their careers for the minor league Baltimore Orioles had things gone only slightly differently. I bring this up because it needs to be understood that it wasn't until fairly recently (in baseball terms at least) that the "promotion" of a player for merit to the majors became a nearly automatic thing; great players can and did play their whole careers without ever playing "in the majors". So, in that sense, it's almost a sure bet that some pitcher for a top-flight minor league pitched a no-hitter and never made the majors.
 * An additional complication is going to come with your request regarding AAA; I'm not sure when that rating system went into effect (the actual leagues involved, like the International League, the Eastern League, etc. are now almost completely subsumed by the farm system, but were once completely distinct entities), but if you specifically want to know about AAA it's going to narrow things down quite a bit, if only because the concept of AAA is, as far as I know, a by-product of the minors becoming part of the farm system. In that case, we'd probably only be going for instances such as a pitcher who would normally have gone on to the majors but didn't due to injury, say, or suspension. Matt Deres (talk) 20:33, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The Farm System was developed in the 1930's and 1940's. Some background is given at Minor_league_baseball.  Triple-A is currently two leagues, but for a long time it was three:
 * The American Association (20th century) was a mostly midwestern league. It went defunct in 1997, and its teams were split among the other 2 triple-A leagues:
 * The International League was mostly a Northeastern league, until expansion into the upper south (Durham, Charlotte) and the addition of several AA teams after that league folded.
 * The Pacific Coast League was, unsurprisingly, a mostly western league, again until the addition of the AA teams in the midwest.
 * The Mexican League (baseball) is also considered to be at AAA level, but it exists outside of the farm system.
 * The current system was enacted in 1963. Prior to 1963, there were also B, C, D and E class leagues.  With many minor league teams "going under" due to declining attendance, 1963 saw a major reorganization of Minor League baseball.  See Minor league baseball.
 * As far as what this means for answering the question, I don't know. But it does help explain some of the background of minor league baseball and AAA.  -- Jayron  32  22:08, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Company (film)
I bought a legal moserbaer.com DVD that contained three hindi films Satya, Company (film), and Vastav. I was shocked to know that highly important scenes that show how enmity between Chandu and Malik scenes have been totally removed. While the complete CD version is available in the market. Can someone please do something about that, why should a film so cruelly cut to size just to suit the space of DVD perhaps. Has media taken a note of it. ?  Jon Ascton    (talk)  19:59, 7 October 2010 (UTC)


 * IMDB's page for this film says it's 155 minutes, and this DVD edition on Amazon says it's 155 minutes, so it appears there is an unedited version available if you want. For what it's worth, on American television and on the movies shown on airplanes, there is often a title card shown at the beginning stating that the movie has been "edited for content and for length" &mdash; the studio cuts scenes in order to cram the movie into a 90 minute time block, or whatever is desired by the distributor.  (Sometimes the studio instead speeds up the film by 4% or something in order to avoid making cuts, but that carries a quality cost for some.)  Comet Tuttle (talk) 20:12, 7 October 2010 (UTC)