Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Entertainment/2010 September 25

= September 25 =

cat in The Wizard of Oz
I noticed a Siamese cat towards the end of The Wizard of Oz. Did the cat have a name?24.90.204.234 (talk) 00:30, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * It's never mentioned in the original book. Dismas |(talk) 00:42, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Apparently not - and according to IMDb, neither did the lady who was holding it. Helen Seamon, the actress, was uncredited in the final movie and listed simply as "Woman with Cat" at IMDb and elsewhere. Matt Deres (talk) 19:45, 26 September 2010 (UTC) ps Here is her IMDb page; she doesn't seem to have credited for any of her movie roles! Matt Deres (talk) 19:47, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

juniper lee dvd
Can someone tell me which is more likely for juniper lee dvds: volume dvds with select episodes or season sets. Either way, it is a good show for dvd, and mike mires as Monroe is a hit. If it is volumes, can someone give me examples of the episodes on the volumes? I want to know what to expect. ps: sorry if i am annoying. 204.112.104.172 (talk) 17:09, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

i'm being persistent. please answer this. if it runs out of time, i will ask again. this way you will have lots of time to figure it out. do answer asap. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.112.104.172 (talk) 22:33, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Prog rock lyrics question
The song in question contains the words "Who do you think you are?" repeated over and over again by a deep voice, in a rising rhythmic setting. After 4 repetitions a counter melody is sung by a tenor voice, which starts "I really...". The title is not in the lyrics. The group is someone like Gong but I don't think it is them, it's the same era (about 1974 ish). I've tried Googling the lyrics but to no avail, mainly because the phrase is the title of so many pop songs. Can anyone help? --TammyMoet (talk) 18:27, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Could it be the title song from If I Could Do It All Over Again, I'd Do It All Over You by Caravan? Richard Sinclair being the deep voice. ---Sluzzelin talk  18:40, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I've come to the conclusion it probably is that one. There's a playlist for the radio station it was on and it's the only thing I can see that might match. Many thanks! --TammyMoet (talk) 08:50, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Oddly, youtube features a number of songs from that album, but not that particular one! I couldn't find any samples on amazon or other cd sellers either. Youtube does, however, have a 1969 live recording of Caravan (apparently with Frank Zappa sitting in on guitar) from the Actuel Festival in Amougies. After having listened to it, I'm pretty sure it's your song (and you will undoubtably recognize it by its odd meter in 7/4). ---Sluzzelin talk  15:24, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't know if it is 7/4 - I thought it was 7 and a half or 15/4! Wondrous strange time sig anyway. Yes that's the one. --TammyMoet (talk) 16:40, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

the who —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.89.16.154 (talk) 09:19, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * No. --TammyMoet (talk) 11:31, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Original/Sample for Hyori's song Highlight.
There is this song 'Highlight' by Korean artist Hyori. This song was admitted by the artists' label to be plagiarized by its composer Bahnus who also plagiarized another 6 songs on the artists' album. All the originals are known only the original for 'highlight' is still unknown. There is a big chance that the rap parts in this song are not plagiarized. There are also some reasons to believe that the original song might be Norwegian. Do you know the original/sample? Here you can listen to the song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rpMPLz1ZCY --Intouchwithbertj (talk) 19:45, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Saturday evening TV in the UK
Why is saturday evening tv always rubbish in the UK? Do those who decide these things believe that everyone goes out on saturday evening except for retards? 92.24.182.184 (talk) 22:05, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Though i don't live in the UK, i can say this. I don't go out on saturday evenings and i am not a retard. If they do think that, that's a stereotype that they should reconsider. perfectly good people stay home on saturday nights and feel just dandy about it, that doesn't mean they are retards. It's similar to what a good deal of cartoons portray teens as. girls are often chear leaders or members of a chear squad, and if they aren't, they are dorks or lame. Or how boys are often portrayed as aphleits, and if they arn't on a team or a coach, they're lame freaks. neither of that is true, perfectly good and cool girls are not chear leaders, and perfectly good boys are not aphleits, but that doesn't mean they are lame, freakish, or uncool in any other way. Also, just because a show portrays someone as a sertain something, that doesn't mean that the show writers and directors think that all people are like that, they are just putting their view of "Cool" and "Lame" into their creations. hope that helps. 204.112.104.172 (talk) 22:31, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

I suspect it's because it's filled with Talent Shows and family entertainment, rather than shows you considered good (i'm with you - tv on a Saturday in England is shocking). Back in the day it use to be a big night for movie premieres but with all the talent shows they seem to be less of a 'main' feature...plus with the proliferation of dvds and downloads I guess the audience pull of a movie premiere isn't the same these days (it used to be when I was young if you didn't see the film in the cinema you'd pretty much have to wait for it to be on tv). In terms of the comedy shows they seem to be setup on a Thursday/Friday night format as they often appeal to people in their late-teens/twenties who might be expected to be out on a weekend night (not because they're cool just because primarily the busy nights in terms of bars, restaurants, theatres and pretty much everything else entertainment wise are weekend nights). ny156uk (talk) 23:58, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

True, i do think it is true what i said above. Sometimes, shows are based off of common stereotypes. 204.112.104.172 (talk) 00:06, 26 September 2010 (UTC)


 * It isn't any better in the US. The networks just show reruns.   Everard Proudfoot (talk) 04:58, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * See Friday night death slot (which also addresses Saturday). -- Mwalcoff (talk) 05:18, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * That must be the most unusual spelling of "athlete" I've ever seen, up there. Adam Bishop (talk) 06:15, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Lol, I was holding back on commenting on that, but isn't it just? The scary thing is, it makes complete sense, doesn't it? TomorrowTime (talk) 06:46, 26 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Depends what you want to watch. I watched a truly groundbreaking programme on the history of an English village from the Iron Age to the Norman Conquest, followed by Stephen Hawking on time travel. I'd have paid to watch either of those, to be honest. I don't think any "retard" would be able to comprehend either of those two shows, do you? --TammyMoet (talk) 08:54, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I looked at yesterdays schedule. I could not find or see the history thing, as I only get the big-four terrestial channels. I watched two minutes of Hawkings a week or two ago, and it seemed designed for ten year olds, just a lot of platitudes spoken very slowly. I wish Patrick Moore was on earlier when I would watch. One of the main things that contributes to the tedium of saturday evening tv is the lack of something like Newsnight. I have asked a question about the vocabulary on tv on the Language Desk. 92.15.16.83 (talk) 10:50, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * In that case you need to get Freeview somehow, because The Sky at Night is on at 7.30 pm the first Monday in every month! BBC4 is the channel for those of us who have some brain cells. You must be one of the very, very few TV watchers in the UK who don't even have Channel 5! The brand new world awaits you! --TammyMoet (talk) 16:37, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Guys, leave my spelling out of this. will you? just because spelling is your strong point doesn't mean it's mine. anyway, shows do sometimes create an oppinion on something, particularly older shows that influenced the older comunity, much of which is creating the shows. even 20 year olds can be influenced by those shows when they are younger. Maybe the creaters of the saturday night shows saw shows that portrayed cool and sane people as going out ot the bar on a saturday evening, and retards and lame people as staying home. like i said above, just because a show portrays people who stay home as retards, that doesn't make it any bit more true. PS: forget my spelling mistakes. not fare! 204.112.104.172 (talk) 11:59, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * You need to find a way of receiving Digital TV soon; they're switching the analogue system off in 2012. Alansplodge (talk) 22:20, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The signal is too bad here to get freeview. I hope it improves after analogue switch off. With cr*p tv, not being able to watch it is a good thing. I was just thinking that the reason history programmes are so popular is because they are more intelligent than other programmes. Those who make these decisions apparantly have not woken up to the fact that the population is more educated and more intelligent than in the past. 92.29.116.227 (talk) 10:35, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Have you actually tried to get Freeview? I ask because, if you go to their website and type in our postcode, you get told that the Freeview reception is too bad. We didn't take that at face value, and borrowed a friend's box to see if it actually did work, and it works perfectly. Maybe worth a try? --81.157.70.123 (talk) 12:57, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

With the exception of a few premium/niche channels on cable, It's pretty much exactly the same here In Canada and the US when it comes to the major network content on Saturday night. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.167.165.2 (talk) 08:50, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
 * If you really can't get Freeview, try Freesat instead. Warofdreams talk 15:49, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I want to have a life, not be a couch potato. 92.15.9.254 (talk) 12:28, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Then why worry about what's on tv?! gaz hiley .co.uk  12:11, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Because having a busy life is often physically or mentally tiring, and even I sometimes want to physically rest in front of a tv for a while, especially in the late evening. I probably watch five hours or less tv a week on average. 92.28.254.154 (talk) 19:58, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

If you want a less sedentary lifestyle, then join the Ymca or some other fitness club. 70.241.27.2 (talk) 14:45, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Or get a static bicycle with a dynamo that powers the TV. 92.29.117.59 (talk) 17:47, 29 September 2010 (UTC)


 * The short answer is, schedulers want high ratings. Saturday night TV is traditionally, and still mostly, watched by families with children and older people. It therefore makes sense for schedulers to put something on that these people will want to watch. It also makes sense to put 'event' programmes on Saturday night, as most people who want to watch them will then watch them. It also allows for parties or gatherings of people, watching a programme together. Saturday nights are 'family viewing' nights: hence Doctor Who, Merlin, Harry Hill, Ant and Dec, and talent shows. These are programmes that children and parents and grandparents can all enjoy and discuss together. Luckily, freeview channels allow for other demographics without getting in the way of mainstream programming: get the other BBC channels, and you'll be happy. 109.155.37.180 (talk) 11:56, 1 October 2010 (UTC)