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= October 13 =

Donnie Brasco - malvole?
Al Pacino's character says something like, "What kinda man has a Malvole? He won't provide for his own wife. in the movie Donnie Brasco. What does it mean? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.224.66.230 (talk) 10:32, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I've not seen the film, but perhaps Al Pacino'scharacter says, " What kinda man has a Malvole"? "  He won't provide for his own wife."   -- Jayron  32  16:47, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Was De Niro even in the movie? Hot Stop talk-contribs 17:33, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Not according to our article. The OP seems to confusing De Niro with Al Pacino or Johnny Depp.  --   Jack of Oz   [your turn]  18:31, 13 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Scanning the script (I have a text copy of it), the line is not there. If there is such a line in the movie, it is not in the script. -- k a i n a w &trade; 18:39, 13 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I haven't seen the movie either. But I googled "Donnie Brasco subtitles", downloaded an .srt and found this excerpt:

794 01:04:12,615 --> 01:04:16,779  - Richie, step outside, take a look at the car. - Sure. Great.

795 01:04:19,689 --> 01:04:23,488  What kind of a man has a Malvole? He won't provide for his own wife.


 * I don't know if this brings us any closer to knowing what it means. 67.162.90.113 (talk) 04:47, 14 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Maybe the car is not called a "Malvole". Malvolere is Italian for "ill will" (literal translation) or some similar mental state. Perhaps what's being asked at that point in the movie is "what kind of a man has an attitude of festering misanthropy?" and the car is nothing to do with it. Card Zero  (talk) 07:02, 14 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I have not seen the movie, but that was my thought. μηδείς (talk) 20:00, 14 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Left-field thought: is the vehicle clearly seen and identifiable? If not, it might be that the film-makers didn't want to mention a real make/model in a mildly negative context so as not to upset a manufacturer, and instead made up a fictional brand that sounded plausible for an (expensive? Italian?) car. If confirmed, it'd be a candidate for addition to our article List of fictional automobiles. FWIW, the name suggests to this non-Italian speaker (though with a little Latin) something like "goes badly", which could be an inside joke. The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.197.66.168 (talk) 18:58, 14 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Richie Gazzo, played by Rocco Sisto, shows up to the singles bar “King’s Court”, where he’s met by Ruggiero(Pacino), and Brasco/Pistone(Depp). Gazzo is driving, what appears to be a 1970s model Pontiac Firebird(purple).  When they go into the bar, after Ruggiero asks Brasco to have Gazzo step outside, this is when Pacino utters the line mentioning “Malvole”.  I’m not sure if it’s referencing the car, or the singles bar, since he has a wife at home, which he’s apparently not providing for. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jocko McDogbone (talk • contribs) 16:31, 21 December 2017 (UTC) (thank) (UTC)

Music
Does anyone know what type of music this [] is? The title says techno but imo it's different. Most techno is just 1 chord progression on top of a bunch of random beats (yea this one is built on a 6 chord progression but it has a really strong melody). I find this kind of music really rare; does anyone know more like it? I prefer strong fast nice sounding melodies. I tried the suggestions on the right but none of them are good. Money is tight (talk) 10:46, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Just sounds like electronic music to me. Sorry not to be more precise than that. --TammyMoet (talk) 12:02, 13 October 2011 (UTC) If you like this sort of music, check out the music of Rick Wakeman or Yes. There is a genre called "prog rock" which you may wish to check out.--TammyMoet (talk) 12:04, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

George Lucas and film "improvements"
So, we all know George Lucas likes to make err... tweaks to his films in re-releases (The Original Trilogy in both the DVD and Blu-Ray releases) or change characters later on (Prequel Trilogy and Kingdom of the Crystal Skull). Has he ever given a reason why he does this? Please keep all answers within WP:BLP btw (not that I'm a big fan of these tweaks or a lot of his recent work either). Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie &#124; Say Shalom! 15 Tishrei 5772 17:00, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * For perhaps the most egregious revision, see Han shot first. --Viennese Waltz 17:27, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * So he thought of the children. What about what he did to Alec Guiness (redubbing his lines) and making Yoda CGI rather than a puppet in the Blu-Ray release? Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie &#124; Say Shalom! 15 Tishrei 5772 17:36, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I read that he strives to make the films as good as technically possible at a given time and as such will make changes on re-releases if new technology allows to do so. Regards  So Why  17:39, 13 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Well certrainly shows that opinions of good varies from person to person. Errr... does anyone here own the Blu-Ray set? Is there a theatrical option or just the new version on the Blu-Ray? Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie &#124; Say Shalom! 15 Tishrei 5772 17:43, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Just the new version. Staecker (talk) 01:44, 14 October 2011 (UTC)


 * No way I'm buying that one then. Hope they'll release an edition that has both at some point. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie &#124; Say Shalom! 16 Tishrei 5772 16:05, 14 October 2011 (UTC)


 * See also List of changes in Star Wars re-releases. &mdash;Akrabbimtalk 17:44, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Aside from Han shooting first, there are two major reasons that Lucas gives for changing things:


 * Usually his changes are described as fulfilling his original intentions for the film. He inserts or corrects things that he couldn't accomplish correctly at the time of the original productions. This is what he'd say about most of the "special edition" changes, notably the Jabba in ep 4 and extended traveling montages in Mos Eisley, Cloud city, and celebrations at the end of ep 6.
 * Other changes in the original trilogy are made to tie them in to the prequels more clearly. Notable changes of this type are the dubbing of all storm trooper voices by Temeura Morrison (who played Jango Fett, the "original" of the clone army), and putting Hayden Christiansen's ghost at the end of ep 6.
 * Sorry I don't have a good ref- these are the two most common things that Lucas says about the changes though. I assume you've seen List of changes in Star Wars re-releases- there seems to be a dispute on there, but look in the history for a fairly complete list of changes. Staecker (talk) 21:59, 13 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I read a few, it would be better if they had what they were changed from there as well. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie &#124; Say Shalom! 15 Tishrei 5772 22:06, 13 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep in mind that Hollywood is about money, and if you can sell the same product over and over again, that's pretty good incentive to keep tinkering with it. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 10:27, 14 October 2011 (UTC)


 * How well is it selling though? I have never heard anything positive said with regard to such changes. So, from what I can gather, one of the things Lucas likes to do is to make his films appeal more to children? Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie &#124; Say Shalom! 16 Tishrei 5772 16:05, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

My OR opinion, but I think that "artists" like this should lose copyright protection of their original works when they release an updated version. If the "new" Star Wars is so much better than the original, then let the original revert to the public domain. μηδείς (talk) 19:59, 14 October 2011 (UTC)