Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Entertainment/2012 January 25

= January 25 =

old filmi hindi songs used in hollywood movies
Ghost world and Eternal sunshine of the spotless mind are so far I know that used old filmi hindi songs as part of their soundtrack. any other hollywood movies that used any old filmi hindi songs for their soundtrack? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.95.104.46 (talk) 04:28, 25 January 2012 (UTC)


 * The Darjeeling Limited, perhaps? --79.193.36.122 (talk) 19:20, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Dead At 17
Dead At 17 is a movie that got made in the Year 2008. I couldn't understand some of the events in the movie. Is someone able to answer my following questions about the movie called Dead At 17?

Did Cody push the stripper down the stairs on purpose?

Did Cody accidentally push the stripper down the stairs?

Does Cody feel sorry for the stripper's death?

Did the stripper accidentally trip herself down the stairs?

Cody & his brother make it look that Jason committed suicide, but are Cody & his brother glad that Jason's dead?

Do Cody & his brother feel sorry for Jason's death?(76.20.90.53 (talk) 09:18, 25 January 2012 (UTC)).


 * While I'm sure we have an article, Dead At 17, you may also do well to review the IMDB entry on the film, since your questions are detailed.--Wehwalt (talk) 10:21, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Monk Season 3 Episode 1
1. Since Mr. Leight killed his wife, does Mr. Leight own the murder weapon?

2. After Mr. Leight killed the Ambassador & Ambassador's bodyguards, what did Mr. Leight do with the murder weapon?

3. Before Mr. Leight got arrested, did the police check if there's a gun in Leight's pockets?(76.20.90.53 (talk) 09:23, 25 January 2012 (UTC)).

I would look at Mr. Monk Takes Manhattan and if you are still not satisfied, address your question on the talk page there.--Wehwalt (talk) 10:19, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Video game recommendations for PC
Hello,

I'm about to buy a new PC and L.A. Noire. I enjoy games that involve complicated crimesolving and large open worlds. Can someone make recommendations especially for games that include both and any non-shooters I may have overlooked? - 194.60.106.17 (talk) 13:16, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
 * From the other direction, you could look into the Grand Theft Auto or Assassin's Creed series. They both well-known open-world games.  The Elder Scrolls series is a very open-world RPG series, with complex narratives and problem solving.  Category:Open world video games may give you some more leads.  -- Jayron  32  17:57, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Honestly not a lot of crime-solving games with an open-world similar to L.A. Noire for PC. If you're into point-and-click adventure games, there are loads of them around, see Category:Adventure games. I highly recommend The Longest Journey and its sequel. It's a bit dated, but the story is very worth it. The world (or worlds really), while not open, is usually freely explorable and vast.

Anyway here are others with good puzzle-solving elements/open world. Most new RPG games feature both (though not necessarily crime-solving).


 * Alan Wake - very much story-driven. You have to solve a mystery after all.
 * Fahrenheit (a.k.a. Indigo Prophecy) - has a strong mystery plot, given that much of the game is spent trying to find the reason for a series of murders.
 * Alpha Protocol - is more a first-person shooter, but the story is good and it has multiple endings.
 * Amnesia: The Dark Descent - the puzzle element is in trying to figure out who you are (you have amnesia) and what you're supposed to do. The horror element is in the fact that you are inside a castle crawling with monsters with ZERO weapons. Scream out loud and run and hide in the nearest closet with your heart thudding kind of fun.
 * Call of Cthulhu: Dark Corners of the Earth - has puzzle-solving elements, given that you are an investigator. Very dated graphics though.
 * The Hitman series - great in the number of ways you can assassinate your targets.
 * The Splinter Cell series - same as above, though as a Spec Ops.
 * The Assassin's Creed series - gets a bit repetitive honestly, but the story is worth it.
 * Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines - dated graphics and wonky combat, but a very good storyline, open world, and a few mysteries
 * Deus Ex: Human Revolution - more of an RPG, but has an open world. And the objectives are arguably a form of crime-solving.

Though there are also a lot of good Japanese horror-survival games with crime-solving elements, the Japanese gaming industry is closed off from the rest of the world's. Not to mention, they are mostly console-based and are usually never ported to the PC. Examples include Shenmue and Fatal Frame.

Also see Category:Detective video games, Category:Stealth video games, Category:Psychological horror games and Category:Survival video games.--  Obsidi ♠ n   Soul   10:07, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks to both of you for the suggestions. Especially Obsidian. You seem to have caught exactly the sort of games I like. :)- 194.60.106.17 (talk) 10:34, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * You might also enjoy the Max Payne games. 10draftsdeep (talk) 15:19, 26 January 2012 (UTC)


 * I enjoyed Batman: Arkham City, which has some of the elements you're talking about here. Give it a shot. Meelar (talk) 02:20, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Microsoft Train Simulator Add-ons Taken Down from www.rusnakweb.com
Hi All Wikipedians,

What happened to all the MSTS (Microsoft Train Simulator) add-ons at the RusnakWeb website? I can still access it using the WayBack Machine, but it's not online anymore. Did they lose their rights? What happened to it? Please reply. :( Click here: http://rusnakweb.com/msts

68.224.119.202 (talk) 19:58, 25 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry, we don't know. Why don't you ask them directly here?--Shantavira|feed me 20:14, 25 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Sure I can, but I may not have parental permission from my parents because I'm 13. I could try anyway. 68.224.119.202 (talk) 20:39, 25 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Parental permission from your parents? Are you sure you're only 13, and not a member of Monty Python? --79.193.36.122 (talk) 02:10, 26 January 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't know. 68.224.119.202 (talk) 04:19, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Song from a TV movie
On the German reference desk, someone is asking for a song from a TV movie from 1989, Manhunt: Search for the Night Stalker (imdb entry). The song is played when the character Richard Ramirez turns on the radio, somewhere in the middle of the film. The song is described as an 80's rock song, possibly with words "night hunter" or something like that. Does anyone here know or even have the film? --Wrongfilter (talk) 21:16, 25 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Netflix doesn't have it. StuRat (talk) 21:45, 25 January 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't think to OP asked if the film was available on Netflix. The movie can be found on for sale on Amazon.com here: . As far as the actual question, here is a link to a song titled "Night Hunter" from a relatively obscure 80's metal band called Lion's Pride: . Probably a long shot, but the best I could find. cheers! 10draftsdeep (talk) 22:54, 25 January 2012 (UTC)


 * They asked if anyone has the film. So, listing who does and does not have it seems like a good idea. StuRat (talk) 23:06, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry for my inept formulation, Stu, the original question was indeed which song it was. Being able to have a look at the film would have helped, of course. --Wrongfilter (talk) 07:28, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Ramirez was said to be a fan of the song "Night Prowler" by AC/DC. Even if that turns out not to be the song used in the movie (perhaps they couldn't get the rights), I bet it is what the filmmakers were alluding to.--Cam (talk) 04:31, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * A review on the imdb reviews page says the movie has a "bad music score with a rip-off of Night Prowler by AC/DC" so it is not the actual AC/DC song.--Cam (talk) 04:47, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I've passed your suggestions on to the German reference desk. Thanks! --Wrongfilter (talk) 08:40, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

White rappers with skill
Hi all. Who are the best white rappers? Please post links to their best song or battle. I will compare them to people like Rone, Eyedea (RIP), MC Serch, Edan, Looptroop and the whole Rhymesayers Entertainment crew so please make sure they have the skill required to compete. Von Restorff (talk) 22:11, 25 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Being from Detroit, I'd have to go with Eminem. Vanilla Ice was also good, before he went too commercial. StuRat (talk) 22:15, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
 * LOL. But seriously, does anyone know good white rappers? Von Restorff (talk) 22:24, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
 * With all due respect, perhaps you'll get better answers if you explain what you mean by 'best' (record sales, critical acclaim, winning rap battles?), and yes, even 'white'. Ambiguity notwithstanding, I'd nominate Adam Yauch as a serious contender. More recently, Watkin_Tudor_Jones may be of interest, though his style is quite different from current American efforts. SemanticMantis (talk) 23:20, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, white is hard to define in this case, but by 'best' I mean with the biggest amount of skill. Unfortunately the people with the most skill do not necessarily have huge record sales and critical acclaim. I love the Beastie Boys, so I know Adam as MCA. Jack Parrow (e.g. Cooler as Ekke and Dans dans dans) and Die Antwoord are surprisingly good for recent music. I was kinda confused by the name of their DJ but it seems that there is more than one Hi-Tek. Von Restorff (talk) 00:47, 26 January 2012 (UTC)


 * "Skill" is also hard to define. Unless there's some specific objective criteria to measure against, it's very much a subjective personal opinion. Mitch Ames (talk) 01:00, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * That is true. I can give you some examples. Brother Ali - Uncle Sam Goddamn, Edan: Sing it Shitface, Eyedea & Slug on the Wake Up Show, Kurious - Benetton ft MC Serch & MF DOOM :: Amalgam Digital, Grind Time Now Presents: Tricky P vs Rone et cetera. But I am asking for a personal opinion of course, no need for mathematical certainty. Von Restorff (talk) 01:17, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * In all seriousness, the best "white" rappers, from a critical and commercial point of view (i.e. well liked by critics and those "inside" the hip hop world, as well as having popular success) are historically the Beastie Boys and Eminem. The Beasties were the first really successful white rap group, and Eminem came up as a protege of Dr. Dre and has some serious street cred.  To a lesser extent, Kid Rock had some as well in his early years before he became a "jack-of-all-trades".  Guys like Vanilla Ice and Snow were probably considered the Pat Boone of the rap world, and despite some commercial success, don't have the credibility that Eminem has.  -- Jayron  32  02:30, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * You made the same typo ("has" instead of "had") twice. The commercial point of view is not really important, usually rappers who are very skilled do not sell many albums. I need people who are a bit less well-known than Eminem and the Beastie Boys; I started listening to hiphop over 18 years ago and I've always focused on the oldschool. About Kid Rock: are you talking about Grits Sandwiches For Breakfast? Afaik he never really got streetcred for that even though he had D Nice among others as a producer. The album sold only about 1000 copies upon initial release. Vanilla is frequently named the worst rapper ever, and Snow was a popular reggea artist in Jamaica, but he was never a skilled rapper. Von Restorff (talk) 06:28, 26 January 2012 (UTC) P.s. Examples of extremely skilled performers: Vinnie Paz, R.A the Rugged Man, Doseone & Rob Sonic. But I am willing to settle for people with less skill like Snak The Ripper, Diabolic or Ill Bill & Necro and their friends.
 * Since this is at best a request for an opinion (or a request for others to hear an opinion), it is not a question suitable for the ref desk. I suggest you take this to a music forum, where I am sure people will be impressed by your level of underground awareness. --Saddhiyama (talk) 09:11, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Then I ask people to list "white" rappers, and I will judge their skilllevel myself. That is not really the underground BTW, the real underground is even less well known. Von Restorff (talk) 09:19, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * If you already know the answer, why are you posting here? --TammyMoet (talk) 09:05, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Those are just a few people I could name off the top of my head, but there are many more! I did not even mention that guy from The Streets or Mr.Polska! Von Restorff (talk) 09:13, 26 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Ok, we don't have a list of white rappers, but if you go to the bottom of rapping, there's a nice box with links to hip hop by country, e.g. Irish hip hop. Obviously Irish!='white', but you can probably use these pages to come up with a few white rappers you were not previously aware of. But really, I think you'll be better served with the answers and discussion you want in a dedicated hip-hop forum. SemanticMantis (talk) 15:23, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * "Obviously Irish!='white'"... hmmm... see Black people in Ireland. Alansplodge (talk) 22:30, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Terribly sorry, of course not all Irish people are white. By "!=" I meant "does not equal". I should have just typed it out :) SemanticMantis (talk) 17:09, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, I see. It makes s bit more sense now. Alansplodge (talk) 02:21, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I did. Unfortunately most hiphop fora suck, and most are focused on hiphop from their own country + the states. I need to have people from all over the world. E.g. the Hilltop Hoods are from Australia, DirtBag Dan is from the USA, Looptroop is Swedish, et cetera. Von Restorff (talk) 23:02, 26 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Not really my bag, but in the UK, Dappy and Professor Green are well known for this sort of thing, apparently. Alansplodge (talk) 09:56, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Yuk. That Dappy kid is probably not the sharpest tool in the shed, to put it politely, and he makes hippop not hiphop. I do not like Professor Greens music, e.g. The Streets are much better than that. Von Restorff (talk) 06:44, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Have a look at Polarbear's stuff, he is a better rapper than Mike Skinner, you could also look at Scroobious Pip, they are both British. FreeMorpheme (talk) 21:52, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks mate! Scroobious Pip is very talented, especially "Thou Shalt always Kill" is great! I am going to try and find some more of Polarbear's music and video's, he is very interesting. Von Restorff (talk) 09:37, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Talent is obviously a matter of opinion, but Blood of Abraham were certainly nothing if not interesting. Joefromrandb (talk) 00:35, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Television show drama
It appears that one of my favorite television shows, Storm Chasers, has been cancelled. The general consensus on the Discovery Channel forums is that the show had taken a downhill slide due to a shifting of the show's focus away from the storm chasing and onto (either real or scripted) drama among the storm chasing teams, with the general consensus being that producers were taking too many creative liberties with the content of the show, a sentiment confirmed by the leader of TWISTEX in a statement that said in part "I won't comment on the editorial content, as nearly 100% of the viewers have commented accurately. Far too many 'creative liberties' were allowed.". This is a trend that I have noticed among several documentary/reality type shows on cable networks lately, and it makes me wonder: Why would producers of a documentary/reality show like Storm Chasers decide to script in drama rather than focus on the actual subject of the show, especially when this causes a downhill slide like with Storm Chasers? Ks0stm (T•C•G•E) 22:21, 25 January 2012 (UTC)


 * IRL storm chasing is pretty boring most of the time (an enormous amount of preparation); just like working in a pawn shop and being in the repo business. The producers do not realize we are smart enough to figure out they are faking it, and they think we love the stupid storylines they made up. So my guess would be a combination of stupidity and narcissism. Von Restorff (talk) 22:30, 25 January 2012 (UTC) p.s. Did you see this?


 * Studio execs are rather stupid. So, if scripted "reality" shows are getting good ratings, they naturally assume that making every other show into one of those will improve ratings.  What they don't seem able to grasp is that the audience for documentaries does not want that and will not watch that.  If game shows are popular next year, you can expect game show elements to appear in all the other shows, too. StuRat (talk) 01:49, 26 January 2012 (UTC)