Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Entertainment/2012 May 19

= May 19 =

Is there a name for this heavy metal musical technique?
Only recently finding out there are names to techniques like Alberti bass and Mannheim rocket, I was wondering if there was a name for the simple and often used technique of filling in the gaps of a melody or ornamentation (played on a guitar, for example) with either bass notes—the root, I guess—or some other pattern. I've looked at Heavy metal music (and other sections) and Baroque music and the closest things I can find are Basso continuo, but that's not it, and maybe Pedal point, though maybe this is a variation.

Some examples (time aligned) from Youtube (please note your computer's volume, the metal songs may be loud): Metallica's "Master of Puppets" (cover), Bach Fugue, and Children of Bodom, end of Towards Dead End

Thanks!!– Kerαu noςco pia ◁ gala xies 01:07, 19 May 2012 (UTC)


 * The technique of making a monophonic instrument play two or more voices by using rapid alternations of pitches separated by relatively large intervals, is called pseudopolyphony or implied polyphony, and the result is called a compound melodic line. So I'd say that the term you are looking for is a compound melodic line, where the lower voice is a pedal point. (And yes, I know an electric guitar is a polyphonic instrument, but in the Master of puppets link, it was mostly played monophonically in the phrases in question). --NorwegianBluetalk 21:56, 19 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Pedal point it is! Thanks so much! – Kerαu noςco pia ◁ gala xies 17:45, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Old Cartoon about elfs/dwarfs who work in a forest making milk/drink?
I remember an old cartoon about some kind of elves or dwarves who work in a forest making some kind of drink. And then maybe the elves drink this milk or something that turns them into dark evil elves, but the good white milk changes them back. I think the evil elves were blue or something. Any of this ring a bell?

Also what is this name of this old black and white cartoon, theres a big mean guy with a beard, and he slaps around this cat or kid at the docks? --Gary123 (talk) 02:13, 19 May 2012 (UTC)


 * The first one sounds like a mangled version of The Sunshine Makers, in which cheerful workers bottle and deliver sunshine in what look like milk bottles, and battle others who like being sad. Clarityfiend (talk) 03:03, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Soccer teams of Europe
Which team in France gets support from the ethnic minorities meaning Arabs and Africans? Which team in Belgium gets support from the ethnic minorities meaning Africans? Which team in England gets support from the ethnic minorities meaning South Asians, Arabs, Africans, Iranians and Turks? Which team in Spain gets support from ethnic minorities meaning Africans? which team in Portugal gets support from ethnic minorities meaning Africans and which team gets support from ethnic minorities meaning Arabs and Africans? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.92.151.226 (talk) 04:38, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
 * All of them. -- Jayron  32  18:37, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
 * LOL. Great response Jayron. This is a really weird question. It involves so many questionable assumptions it's impossible to answer in any direct and helpful way. HiLo48 (talk) 21:58, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Name for the array of monitors and controls used by sound technician?
Is there a name for the array of monitors and controls used by a sound technician during a live performance? On Commons, someone created a category Commons:Category:Monitor world (sound reinforcement). I'm extremely suspicious of that name, and seriously doubt it has any currency, but I don't have a better term to suggest.- Jmabel &#124; Talk 07:25, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Mixing console (aka audio mixer, sound board, etc.)? Clarityfiend (talk) 08:05, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
 * That's what I'd have called it when I was playing music circa the 1970s, but the person who created this category seems to have that sort of thing as subcategories: Commons:Category:Monitor mixers‎, Commons:Category:Multicore cables (sound reinforcement), Commons:Category:Stage monitor racks‎, Commons:Category:Stage monitors. - Jmabel &#124; Talk 17:26, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Real Madrid
If Iker Casillas, the team captain , isn't on-pitch (substituted,sent off,etc.) who will wear the captian armband? Marcelo Sergio Ramos or Higuain or other? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wzmileksir (talk • contribs) 11:28, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Jazz and singles
hello,

is this correct to call a separately released Jazz tune "single", or is this term only for non-compositions? Regards.-- GoP T C N 21:15, 19 May 2012 (UTC)


 * To inverstigate your question, I googled it, but was rather surpried that the first several hits were to dating sites. So I needed to break out of my filter bubble, and DuckDuckWent it instead. (I've no idea why google believes I would be insterested in this sourt of stuff. Honest! And it's difficult to se where the ads stop and the results begin). The DuckDuckGo result was a lot less noisy, and explained the hits on dating sites: there is a British dating site for people who share an interest in jazz called www.jazzsingles.co.uk. And there was a link to a (nonresponsive) American site as well. Most of the remaining hits that I checked were hits on relevant sites, where "jazz singles" mostly referred to jazz compositions released in single format, whether they were cover versions or original performances. If you want to refer to a jazz composition without reference to performer, you could use "jazz song", or "jazz composition" (as you did). --NorwegianBluetalk 22:49, 19 May 2012 (UTC)


 * The term "single" gets abused a bit, but it referes to a specific type of recording, one that has a single song on each side of a vinyl record disk. This usage became quite anachronistic as that type of media has died out, but it never meant just a "song", although in modern usage, the term has become confused with "song".  So yes, there were Jazz singles, insofar as you could purchase a single-format recording which had jazz music on it.  In the 1990s, when compact discs became the standard format for music, there started to be released "CD singles" and "CD Maxi singles" which were actually of a length that used to be called "EPs" or "Extended Play" records on vinyl.  An EP had 2-3 songs (say, 10 minutes) on each side of the disc.  A "record album" or "LP" or "Long Play" had 5-6 songs (say, 20-25 minutes) on each side.  Now that most music is bought digitally, these terms have little meaning.  Every song can be purchased as a stand-alone piece of music, so the idea of "singles" "EPs" and "LPs" are historical things.  Singles used to come in several formats, most home consumers bought what were called "45s", which were played at 45 RPM, and usually came in a small 7-inch format.  Record stations and DJs used what were called "12 inch singles" which were larger and also played at 45 RPM.  Prior to the 1950s, the most popular single format was the 10-inch, 78 RPM disc, referenced in the Aerosmith song "Big Ten Inch Record", a format that even by the 1970s was outdated such that Aerosmith could make an oldy-sounding song about it.  -- Jayron  32  23:11, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
 * "Big Ten Inch Record" was an oldie by the time Aerosmith recorded it. Bull Moose Jackson had originally recorded it in 1952. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 04:17, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks Jayron (always a help!) I will change it to "single". Regards.-- GoP T C N 09:51, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
 * All the original recordings were "singles". The earliest ones didn't even have a "B" side. You could buy physical "albums" to store these singles in (the modern equivalent is the CD albums you can find most anywhere). Longer recordings, such as symphonies and operas, required multiple "singles" in these "album" folders. So the term "album" in reference to an LP was a natural term to use. I don't know for sure, but I suspect 45s came along around the time portable record players came along, in the 1950s. 45s were obviously much lighter to carry in the types of "album" books designed to carry collections of 45s. 45s and 78s co-existed at least through the 1950s, and until the mid-1960s or so a typical stereo had a second needle for use with 78s, which had a different groove structure. Of course, you had to allow for the big hole in the middle of 45s, and there were several approaches for it. Those portable players often had a little disk in the middle that you lift and set in place so the 45 would be stable. Finally, artists stopped releasing stuff on both 45 and 78, and just focused on 45. Just as LPs for awhile were on both vinyl and CD, and generally now only CD. Similar evolution currently in process with film, videotape, DVD, and BluRay. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 17:23, 20 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh, dear, I get to be the old guy.
 * Even by the 1930s (and I believe in the 1920s), "albums" in more or less the modern sense were pretty common, though of course they consisted of a literal album containing multiple 78 RPM records. You could get multi-disc versions of any of Beethoven's symphonies, for example, but (for example) the Almanac Singers' recording of songs of the Spanish Civil War came out as an album of 78s, which I had as a child. No, it was not new at the time I had it.
 * 45s and 33s both date from the late 1940s. There was also a 16-2/3 speed, which ended up used mostly for spoken-word records for the blind.
 * The last stand of 78 RPM records was children's records, which continued to be released on 78 into the early 1960s. - Jmabel &#124; Talk 03:12, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
 * The inserts, as shown here, were one of at least 3 systems. Another was the little pop-up thing I talked about, for players that could only handle one record at a time. The third was an adapter for the record-changer, the tall spindle with a little "trip" mechanism to make the next one in a stack of records drop into the play position, which was common on non-portable players. You would slide that cyclindrical adapter over the spindle and it would work the same way. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 08:46, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Identify UK TV advert
I was reminded the other day of an advert from the late 70's (or thereabouts) - rather sexist by today's standards, but still amusing. It went something like:

MAN: What are we having for dinner tonight? For i = 1 to {reasonably large number}
 * MAN: Is it {synonym of delicious}?
 * WIFE: Yes!
 * SHOT OF PRODUCT

Next MAN: What is it? WIFE: Suet pudding. FX: Off-screen domestic violence V/O: Give them what they really want - {name of product} MAN: SUET PUDDING!!! A search on "suet pudding advert", not unexpectedly, gives us adverts for suet pudding, which isn't the case here. Can anyone remember what the advert was actually for? Tevildo (talk) 21:15, 19 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Think you need to edit because I don't remember the mathematical explanation being in there... but I'll leave it to you Tevildo cos I could be wrong! --TammyMoet (talk) 08:24, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Was it Caramac or Angel Delight? --TammyMoet (talk) 11:48, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Not Caramac, it was definitely a "meal" rather than a "snack" item. It might have been Angel Delight, although I had the impression it was a savoury rather than a sweet product - I'll see if I can find some Angel Delight adverts of the era.  Incidentally, that photo in the Angel Delight article is positively obscene... Tevildo (talk) 12:18, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Think I meant Caramelle rather than Caramac. Another thought: was it Fray Bentos pies? --TammyMoet (talk) 09:55, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Mmmm... Tinned meat pies! Proper British fast food... except you had to cook the bloody things for half an hour, and even then the pastry had an unpleasant slimey consistency. I don't remember the ad I'm afraid, despite a depressingly comprehensive memory of 1960s marketing campaigns. Who else remembers the cartoon crow that used to advertise Farrows' tinned peas? BTW I rather think Angel Delight was a product of the 1970s, displacing "Instant Whip" and all those blancmanges that we used to eat. Alansplodge (talk) 00:07, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I stand corrected: Angel Delight says it was launched in 1967. Alansplodge (talk) 00:11, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Thinking about it further, I would _not_ be surprised to find it was Bird's Dream Topping, before it contained "TWELVE-and-a-HALF--PERCENT--real-CREAM". Investigations are continuing.  Thanks for all the help so far. Tevildo (talk) 22:41, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

lyrics question
In "Wonderful World" by Sam Cooke, is it "I dont claim to be an A student", or "ace student"? 87.194.239.235 (talk) 22:29, 19 May 2012 (UTC)


 * "an A student". RudolfRed (talk) 22:41, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Definitely "A student". Great song by the way.-- GoP T C N 09:51, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. 87.194.239.235 (talk) 20:55, 20 May 2012 (UTC)