Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Entertainment/2012 May 9

= May 9 =

White Collar (TV series)
I have never seen the show, but have been subjected to seemingly endless trailers about it on Bravo. There is one scene in some of the trailers where the criminal, who has been released from prison to help catch another criminal, is introduced to someone wearing light-coloured scarves or robes (possibly a cleric of some sort). This cleric refuses to shake the criminal's hand and says "I don't shake hands with ______." No matter how hard I listen or how loud the volume is, I can't pick up the word he uses. (I am reminded of All in the Family and "Gee our old LaSalle ran great" which puzzled a lot of people for a long time.) I think it is a two-syllable word and it doesn't seem to have any hard sounds (like k, for example). Does anyone know what he says? Bielle (talk) 02:51, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Forgive me if I don't shake hands with an art thief. --Onorem♠Dil 03:29, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * It's said in Pilot (White Collar) by an art restorer and counterfeiter played by Mark Sheppard. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:07, 10 May 2012 (UTC)


 * First, many thanks to you both. I would never have guessed that phrase as it is "swallowed" in the trailer. I am confused about the counterfeiter. There is one such in the same trailer. He says something about the worst aspect of his profession is that he never gets to lay claim to his work. However, he looks nothing like the man in the priest's garb. Are there two? Bielle (talk) 02:54, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
 * "You know the worst thing about art forgery? You can't take credit for your work." - That is a different character, played by Willie Garson. He's a friend of the main character. (And not that it makes a difference...but it's not priest's garb that the first guy was wearing. It's just a white smock that painters wear and he happens to be working inside a church in that scene. --Onorem♠Dil 16:51, 10 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Onorem. That's all very helpful. Bielle (talk) 02:18, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

EA CFL
How come EA never make sports games of CFL? meaning Canadian Football League? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.89.40.108 (talk) 03:49, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Because EA doesn't believe they could sell enough copies of such a game to make it worth their while. Category:EA Sports games shows that they have not developed a CFL video game.  The only officially licensed CFL football game ever developed was CFL Football '99.  Having been a fan of the franchise back in the day, I do know that Front Page Sports Football had the option to run an 8-team American football league modeled after the CFL; the league used American football rules for gameplay, using a CFL-based schedule with Canadian cities.  That's about it, as far as I can remember.  -- Jayron  32  04:13, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Addendum: I also found Maximum-Football which allows one the option of playing under Canadian football rules. -- Jayron  32  04:15, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * There is also CFL Football '99 by the same developers - the article claims it is "the only video game based on the CFL to date". Has the OP asked EA about this?  It can't hurt, and if they get enough demand, they might consider developing one. 81.98.43.107 (talk) 20:55, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Miki's family
Does Miki Ando have any siblings?24.90.204.234 (talk) 05:25, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * According to her blog, she has a younger brother. See the images. But I have no idea whether she has any other or not. Oda Mari (talk) 10:04, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Willie Mays
Could Willie Mays have played successfully in the Giants infield, like 3rd or shortstop? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.218.104.120 (talk) 09:01, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Possibly in a pinch, but not as successfully. It is rare that a trained outfielder would play in the infield (though some play first base on occasion).  Short or second or third would generally not be a "natural" fit for an outfielder.  It is a rare player who plays multiple positions successfully in that way (Pete Rose was the most significant exception to this).  Mays was a fantastic player, and it is likely with additionaly training he could have played anywhere on the field, but if he was just thrown into it I don't think he would have been used to his full potential.  -- Jayron  32  12:00, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * According to Baseball-Reference.com, Mays actually played 87 games in the infield during his career, including 48 games at first base during the 1971 season with the Giants.   → Michael J Ⓣ Ⓒ Ⓜ 00:07, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
 * 87 games spread over 23 seasons is hardly playing successfully. If you discount the 48 games at first during 1971, that's less than 2 games per season for the rest of his career.  Hardly "playing successfully" in the infield.  Playing occasionally, or "pressed into service" is a better description of such anomalies.  Also, first base is somewhat different from the rest of the infield, given that first basemen rarely have to make an accurate throw elsewhere; many outfielders have been "put out to pasture" at first base later in their careers, especially before the DH or in the National League, which has never had a DH.  -- Jayron  32  00:27, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I have absolutely no idea how well he played, but you can't say he didn't play successfully based simply on the number of games he played. It may have only been occasional play, he may have been pressed into service in a position that wasn't his best, but that doesn't mean he wasn't successful in the role. It might be hard to find actual statistics to make this discussion worthwhile. Did he have an above average amount of errors per game for the time he spent in the infield? --Onorem♠Dil 00:42, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, of course not. You can't prove a negative.  But you can provide evidence based on other players and how they fared, and it is exceedingly rare for an outfielder to move successfully to the infield (excepting at 1B).  As I noted, as there has been only one player who did so at a high level I can think of (being Pete Rose), otherwise it doesn't happen much at all.  Could he have played second base successfully?  There's no way to know one way or another.  Is there any evidence which can allow us to make an educated guess as to how likely it would be?  There's the tens of thousands of other major leaguers, and not very many of them at all have made that transition at an advanced stage in their career.  -- Jayron  32  01:07, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Since not many have tried, it's not unusual that not many have been notably successful. I wasn't trying to prove a negative. I don't know how well he played in the infield. In those 40 or so games, he might have been very successful. I'd actually lean the other way and say that the better players could learn to succeed at most positions. All-star? Maybe not. Successful? I guess it depends on how you define it. The hitting is the hard part anyway. --Onorem♠Dil 01:11, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Johnny Bench, though a Hall of Fame catcher, played a good chunk of his last three seasons at first base and third base. Billy Williams played some first base later in his career. Babe Ruth had some games at first, in both meaningful games and exhibitions. Ruth was pretty diverse. He was a catcher (a lefty, at that) on his orphanage team. He also had a fair turn as a pitcher. (In fact, when someone talks about how great someone like Mays or Bonds were, I don't disagree, but I usually say, "Get back to me when they've pitched 29 consecutive shutout innings in the World Series.") ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:30, 10 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Here's Mays' career record. For what it's worth, his fielding percentage was about the same. It would be worthwhile to find the stats of his teammate Willie McCovey, and see how Stretch played the bag compared with Willie. I don't recall ever seeing Mays play first, but it's reasonable to suppose that he played as well as he needed to at the time. A number of outstanding players at other positions have played first base as their careers were drawing to a close. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:14, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
 * McCovey saw limited action in 1971, (due to knee injury) and when Mays spelled him at first, the immortal Jimmy Rosario was used in center. Dave Kingman also played first occasionally, but that was just his rookie year, and his reputation as a butcher came later. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:22, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
 * All I know of McCovey is the Peanuts scene where Charlie Brown is wishing for McCovey to have hit the ball just three feet farther :-) Nyttend (talk) 02:03, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Three feet higher, actually... or even just two feet higher. Instead, Stretch's screaming liner found a home in Bobby Richardson's glove and the "Old Yankees" had won their last-ever World Series. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:05, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Let's make one thing clear. Willie Mays is generally considered the best or one of the two or three best defensive centerfielders of all time. It's a key defensive position, and there was no way he was going to be tried elsewhere given the value of his glove work in centerfield. Most of his games at first base came when he was at the end of his career and well on in years, so they're not of much value in analysing whether he could have played regularly in the infield. However, as one of the most gifted athletes of his generation, and blessed with tremendous speed and a great throwing arm, it's very hard to see that he couldn't have been successful at another position - provided he was moved there at a young enough age. He did not have any natural limitations, like being too tall to be an infielder (as his teammate McCovey was, in addition to throwing with the wrong hand). --Xuxl (talk) 10:56, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes. Being tall and a lefty, McCovey was a natural at first base. Mays was a born centerfielder, especially in a place like the Polo Grounds, which was basically all centerfield. They used to call his glove "where triples go to die". Having him play first when young would have made sense only if there was a better centerfielder than Mays on the team. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 12:15, 10 May 2012 (UTC)