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= November 28 =

Skyfall
For those who have seen the latest James Bond movie: Which poet does M quote during the Congressional hearing scene (right before the bad guy bursts in and starts shooting everyone): "...to strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield"? I remember this line very clearly, having read this poem before, but the author's name slipped my mind. Could it be Alfred Tennyson? Thanks in advance! 24.23.196.85 (talk) 05:59, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
 * It could be... Ulysses (poem). --Onorem♠Dil 06:18, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I confirm that, it is the final line of the poem. Richard Avery (talk) 15:17, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks! 24.23.196.85 (talk) 06:02, 29 November 2012 (UTC)


 * It's a Parliamentary hearing, btw. :)  216.93.234.239 (talk) 23:14, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Pete Rose's baseball ban
In practice, what does Pete Rose's baseball ban mean, anyway? Does it mean simply that he's not allowed (except for special circumstances, like the All-Century team mentioned in his article) to participate in things that are open only to major leaguers? Or does it mean that he's prohibited entirely from Major League Baseball, and therefore not even permitted to buy a ticket and sit in the stands like normal people? Nyttend (talk) 06:02, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
 * It means that he cannot have any official connection to Major League Baseball: that is he cannot be employed by the league or by any of its teams in any manner, and he is also ineligible for election to the Hall of Fame. He's allowed to buy tickets and watch a game like anyone else, he just can't hold any job or any official position within any baseball organization.  But it isn't a restraining order, he's allowed in the stadiums.  The article List of people banned from Major League Baseball explains what a ban is.  -- Jayron  32  06:06, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Interestingly, his ban didn't directly prevent him from being admitted to the HOF. As the article notes (though without a ref), the rules were changed following his ban to make banned people ineligible. The HOF is, after all, not owned by MLB, though the two are obviously intertwined by long association. Matt Deres (talk) 01:26, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, the Hall of Fame decided that people on the "permanently ineligible list" from MLB are also ineligible for the Hall, but that was a Hall of Fame issue and not a MLB issue. -- Jayron  32  02:39, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
 * There is no small amount of politics connected with the Hall. Bonds and Clemens are on the ballot this year, not banned except by the opinions of the writers. And the Hall could change their rules tomorrow if they wanted, to allow admission of Joe Jackson, Pete Rose, etc. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 03:41, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Pete Rose can be found in Cooperstown NY every year during the Hall of Fame inductions. He can't be part of the ceremony (which usually has dozen of HOFers on stage), but he is typically signing autographs at a souvenir shop down the street from the Hall.  → Michael J Ⓣ Ⓒ Ⓜ 16:51, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Yep. And he could pay the admission fee and walk through the Hall of Fame and Museum, if he chose to do so. He's just not allowed to have a plaque on the wall. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:13, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't condone what he did, but think it is sad that the commish can't figure out a way to mend fences. Rose was far too good of a player to be outright banned with all the questionable things that have happened during and since he made his horrible decision to place bets. At the very least, he should be inducted as a player with a public shunning of his manager status. People that know the game know how good he was. The black eye is overdone. --Onorem♠Dil 23:43, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
 * If you read the Pete Rose article, it seems like they were close to a deal in 2004, and then Rose admitted everything seemingly in order to sell his book. At that point, Selig said, "See ya", and here we are. My guess is that he'll be like a Leo Durocher or a Bill Veeck - someone the powers-that-be had mixed feelings about, and voted them into the Hall after they were dead, so they wouldn't be around to enjoy it. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 08:02, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Who followed Rosalind Russell
Who followed Rosalind Russell in the originalBroadway production of the musical Wonderful Town? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Freddiefenton (talk • contribs) 15:25, 28 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Carol Channing, apparently. See here. -  Ka renjc 17:49, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Coltcut's Autumn Leaves
Who's the vocalist in Coldcut's version of 'Autumn Leaves' from the 1990's? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.176.252.237 (talk) 19:16, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Janis Alexander. See this and Philosophy (album). Tevildo (talk) 23:42, 28 November 2012 (UTC)