Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Entertainment/2012 October 11

= October 11 =

Title of a Vietnam war film, please
Hello Learned Ones ! Can you recall me the title(s) of this (these) war film(s) about Vietnam ? : at the end, a man holding a club circled with barbed wire lifts his arms. While a small tank with a big Stars & Stripes strolls around, and soldiers with punk dress and hair-do arrive, along with a yellow police dog …I hesitate between Platoon, The Deer Hunter, and Apocalypse now … and I swear I didn’t smoke any fitted carpet lately, I simply awoke today with a brain not so able at it used to be in the past decades…But looking supra, seems I was not the only one today...October cold coming ? :-) Thanks a lot beforehand for your help . T.y. Arapaima (talk) 06:34, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Definitely not Deer Hunter's ending and I don't recall a scene like that in the film either, Apocalypse Now I also don't recall anything like that (though not 100%), Platoon my memory is quite hazy on, others such as Forrest Gump, Born on the 4th of July, and Full Metal Jacket I think we can also rule out. Marketdiamond (talk) 08:19, 11 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Doesn't ring a bell. Try browsing Category:Vietnam War films. Clarityfiend (talk) 01:42, 12 October 2012 (UTC)


 * I guess you are thinking of Platoon. The guy with the stick is probably this one. I don't remember any "punk dresses and hair-does" among the soldiers arriving after the final battle, but there is a tank (M1 Sherman iirc). --Saddhiyama (talk) 13:02, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

It's Platoon,the soldier with the club is Rah,the punk haircuts are the Nam mohawks and the dog as a sniffer dog/bomb dog. Hotclaws (talk) 22:39, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Les Mis, in French
I'm keen to find music track for some songs from Les Miserables, in French. My own French skills are very limited and even staler. What would I search for on YouTube for the French versions of Do You Hear the People Sing?, Master of the House and At the End of the Day?HiLo48 (talk) 08:12, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Being [ myself ]an amateur Francophone[,] I think your mistake was searching under "French"[.] [T]he very first result when searching under "Francais" (or more properly Français) is probably what will solve this for you, and many more results. C'est parti . . . tu m'étonnes . . . à la vôtre!  Marketdiamond (talk) 08:28, 11 October 2012 (UTC) [Voilà . . . per Jack de Oz]
 * Are you an amateur Anglophone yourself, Marketdiamond? I'm struggling to parse your sentence.  Are you saying you're an amateur Francophone, or HiLo is? (If it's the latter case, there's a dangling modifier.)  My best guess is that it's a run-on sentence, with the full stop meant to go after "French".  Non?  --   Jack of Oz   [Talk]  08:45, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Avant-garde! Non? ;-) Marketdiamond (talk) 10:45, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Alors, formidable, mon vieux! --   Jack of Oz   [Talk]  12:02, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
 * C'est le ton qui fait la musique, Monsieur! Marketdiamond (talk) 13:32, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Are there any games like this?
Do you know any games like Evidence: The Last Ritual and In Memoriam? Thanks! 193.224.66.230 (talk) 14:46, 11 October 2012 (UTC)


 * If you mean the "alternate reality" part of Evidence: The Last Ritual (where the game intrudes into real life) then we have a list of Alternate reality games at Category:Alternate reality games -- Finlay McWalterჷTalk 15:05, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

What does Ryan Gosling have to do with Prime Minister Stephen Harper?
I don't understand this YouTube video and what Canadian actor Ryan Gosling has to do with the Prime Minister. Can anybody tell me? Iowafromiowa (talk) 18:02, 11 October 2012 (UTC)


 * It appears to be, in my opinion, a get-out-the-vote drive where the people in the video aren't celebrities, but are still encouraging people to vote against Prime Minister Stephen Harper in the upcoming election. Based on the date of the video's release (2011), it would appear they're soliciting votes for the 2011 election and refer to the turnout in the 2008 election. Based on the results of the '11 election, it would appear that this campaign didn't have much effect, as Harper's party, the Conservative Party of Canada, increased its presence in the Canadian Parliament. -- McDoob  AU  93  23:52, 11 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Additional Info: Upon reading the election results a bit more closely, I found that while the Tories did indeed increase their standing in the House of Commons to the point where they had a majority, the New Democratic Party had a sizeable jump in the number of seats it held and became the main opposition party. -- McDoob  AU  93  16:54, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Overturning the result of a sporting event
I am looking for an example of a theoretically possible outcome of a sporting event, but I know of no actual occurrence of it. Has there ever been a professional, team-based and team-scored sporting event in which, either as an exceptional event or with some regularity, the result of a dual contest was overturned after the fact due to the actions of one team?

To put it a simpler but less precise way, does members of a sports team being caught cheating after the fact ever mean that a win is retroactively turned into a loss?

I know that this happens in individual sports (like boxing and MMA), and I know that this happens in semi-team sports, (like road cycling and NASCAR), and I'm fairly confident it happens in high level amateur sports (like the Olympics) but I can't think of a single proper professional team sport in which it has ever happened.

If that doesn't lead anywhere, what if the restriction about after the fact is lifted? Has a pro sports team ever forfeited a game due to being caught cheating during it?

Much obliged for any suggestions you might have for cases that could fit these scenarios. gnfnrf (talk) 22:20, 11 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Not specifically on topic but the fans were steamed and so were the players in these incidents, and a few of them did overturn the score (and win). I also know of some National Football League games where the league does issue an official apology but none that I know have been overturned. Marketdiamond (talk) 22:46, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Here's a cracking example for you from international cricket (professional). In the ball tampering controversy in August 2006, the Fourth Test match between England and Pakistan that summer (see Pakistani cricket team in England in 2006) was interrupted by an allegation of Pakistanball tampering, ie cheating, made by the umpires. The Pakistan team refused to continue the match, so under the laws of cricket, they forfeited the match. The International Cricket Council later bowed to pressure and changed the result to a draw, before returning to their senses and reasserting England's default win. --Dweller (talk) 22:47, 11 October 2012 (UTC)


 * The Melbourne Storm salary cap breach caused the club to be stripped of all honours it had achieved between 2006 and 2010, including 2 premierships and 3 minor premierships. But those results were not re-attributed to the losing teams.  There are just gaping holes now, where results should be.  --   Jack of Oz   [Talk] 23:09, 11 October 2012 (UTC)


 * There have been occasional major league games which were protested, and the game was replayed from the point of the protest and the "other team" won. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 04:19, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
 * See Pine Tar Incident for a specific example of what Bugs is talking about. The Yankees won the first time under protest, the Royals won the protest and got to replay the game from the point of contention.  They Royals ended up winning.  -- Jayron  32  04:34, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Also, in American College sports, teams can have wins "vacated" from their record for violations of the NCAA's strict amateurism rules. It happens with alarming frequency.  -- Jayron  32  04:36, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes. In contrast, in the NFL there is no recourse for an injustice, such as the botched touchdown call in the infamous Green Bay - Seattle game recently. Corking bats and sandpapering baseballs are among the types of "cheating" in pro baseball that could maybe theoretically result in an upheld protest under certain conditions. But "amateur status" and academic issues are irrelevant in the pros. Individuals might be punished for transgressions of one kind or another, but the results nearly always stand. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 05:10, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey! Green Bay got a break on an earlier scoring drive. And don't get me started on Super Bowl XL ... Clarityfiend(talk) 09:14, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Do you mean the phantom holding call that called back the Jerramy Stevens touchdown or the Hasselbeck fumble that got overturned on review. The first may have affected the eventual outcome of the game, but the second went the Seahawks' way, so didn't benefit the Steelers (the eventual winners) anyways.  -- Jayron  32  13:02, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
 * In Nwankwo Kanu's first match for Arsenal he disregarded the 'unwritten rule' that says if a team puts the ball out for a player to receive treatment for an injury, the opposition should return the ball to the keeper of the injured player's team once play resumes. Ray Parlourthrew the ball towards Sheffield United's keeper as expected, but Kanu intercepted the pass and played Marc Overmars in on goal whilst the United defence just stood around watching. The outcry against this 'accidental cheating' was such that Arsenal offered, and The FA agreed, to replay the match, thus nullifying the initial result. I'm not sure exactly how the first game is recorded in the history books, but it would seem to match your criteria. Match report (by an Arsenal fan) is here. - Cucumber Mike (talk) 09:47, 12 October 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't think it happens in football. However, being found to have various irregularities can have later consequences.  In the Italian Serie Aleague, Torino F.C. would have been league champions in 1926-27 if there hadn't been "irregularities" in their match against Juventus.  Juventus were again involved in the 2006 Italian football scandal where allegations of game rigging eventually led to the champions being relegated and docked points.  Sports Corruption Scandals has more.  Astronaut (talk) 13:57, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
 * The result of a single match can be overturned in football, but it is rare. Individual players can be retroactively disciplined or have red cards overturned. But when it comes to the result, the decision of the referee is final, no matter what. Even if it involves a goal being awarded for no apparent reason. What *can* cause a result to be overturned is if a club breaks the rules of a cup competition (in a league competition, the result of that match would usually stand, but the offending team might be given a point deduction or whatever). A few years ago Bury F.C. were thrown out of the FA Cup when it transpired that they had fielded an ineligible player. The club they defeated was reinstated and took Bury's place in the next round . Last year a convoluted dispute concerning player eligibility meant something similar happened in the UEFA Europa League, see FC Sion and 2011–12 UEFA Europa League.


 * As for a club being stripped of honours, in addition to the Italian scandal already mentioned, Olympique Marseille were stripped of the French title in 1993 following a bribery scandal. Oldelpaso (talk) 18:36, 15 October 2012 (UTC)