Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Entertainment/2012 September 18

= September 18 =

Roger & Val Have Just Got In -- Third Series ?
How might one find out whether there will be a third series of Roger & Val Have Just Got In? μηδείς (talk) 01:44, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
 * As it was produced by the BBC and not bought in from a production company, you may wish to contact either of the two Commissioners listed on this page via the BBC. --TammyMoet (talk) 01:49, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I had actually read through that website before posting here. Contact info for the commishes is behind a paywall. IMDb doesn't show them as in production, but I was hoping the BBC would have made an official comment one way or the other. μηδείς (talk) 02:48, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
 * You could always try contacting them by contacting the BBC directly. This page should help you. --TammyMoet (talk) 08:30, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Rats, foiled again. No contact info is listed for Rog & Val in the directory.  The last episode was really by far the best in the series, made me cry.  But I neither want to hear it's over nor live in forlorn hope. μηδείς (talk) 03:25, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Does the directory give contacts for any of the production team listed on the Comedy site? --TammyMoet (talk) 08:57, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Have you tried the BBC's Media Centre? - JuneGloom    Talk  21:17, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Plutonian Heights?

 * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o18uc4kVhTU (3:34)
 * Wuthering Heights (song)

What are these funny looking "characters" on the platform? -- Toytoy (talk) 08:57, 18 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Unless you are referring to audience members or the dancers, please can you help us to answer your question by being much more specific? I don't see any other characters.--Shantavira|feed me 10:53, 18 September 2012 (UTC)


 * On 3:34, Kate Bush was standing on a black rotating platform. There are silver-colored "characters" on the platform. -- Toytoy (talk) 12:18, 18 September 2012 (UTC)


 * The question was very clear to me, Shantavira. --Viennese Waltz 12:40, 18 September 2012 (UTC)


 * But not to Shantavira, apparently. --  ♬  Jack of Oz  ♬  [your turn]  03:08, 19 September 2012 (UTC)


 * I can see the potential for confusion. The 3:34 could mean the total length of the video, versus the point to watch.  "Characters" can also mean odd people.  "On the platform" usually means "standing on it", not "written on the side of it".  And the second link doesn't seem relevant to the Q. StuRat (talk) 03:18, 19 September 2012 (UTC)


 * They look like Chinese characters, or some other oriental script, to me. I suggest you move this Q to the Language Ref Desk to get an answer. StuRat (talk) 15:52, 18 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Yep, clear question and clearly better asked at the language desk. But I agree with Stu in that they look either Chinese or possibly Japanese.  Dismas |(talk) 01:45, 19 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Looks like sloppily made Chinese writing to me. —Tamfang (talk) 05:26, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Clock expires while final shot is already in the air
In basketball, if the clock expires at the end of a period after a shot has been put in the air but before it goes into the basket, the basket counts. But how about other sports: soccer (football to non-North Americans), field hockey, ice hockey, polo, rugby (for drop goals)?

The rules of polo, pp.45-6, simply say "At the end of seven and one-half minutes of elapsed time, a horn will sound twice to terminate the period."--does anyone know how this is interpreted in practice? I can't find anything about the other sports.

I'm assuming the issue cannot even arise in practice in sports like team handball and lacrosse, since shots are only in progress for a split second. Duoduoduo (talk) 19:21, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
 * In ice hockey, it doesn't. The puck has to cross the goal line before the clock reaches all zeros for the goal to count.  So it doesn't work like it does in Basketball.see here, where it says "Unlike in Basketball where the shot must be released before the buzzer to count, and Football where a “down” may be completed if the game clock expires after the snap, in Ice Hockey the final buzzer signals the end of the period (or game) and no goal may be scored once the buzzer sounds."  In American football, if time expires before the ball becomes dead, the play during which the clock expired is allowed to continue until either a score or a dead ball.  So that works kinda like basketball. See the NFL rules, section 8, article 1: here. If time expires at the end of any period while the ball is in play, the period continues until the down ends."  -- Jayron  32  19:43, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
 * With the "asterisk" that certain other plays can occur after time expires: a point-after when a touchdown is scored as time expires (except in overtime, for some odd reason); and in case of a defensive penalty, the offensive team has the option to run one more play. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:18, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I think the reason that there can be no point-after-touchdown attempt in the NFL when an overtime touchdown is scored must be that the game's winner has already been decided. Kind of like not playing the bottom half of the ninth inning in baseball when the home team is already ahead anyway. And in American football if the touchdown comes as the clock expires at the end of regulation, giving the scoring team the victory, my impression is that technically the point-after attempt is allowed but in practice is skipped by the winning team. Duoduoduo (talk) 14:51, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I've never seen the winning team skip the PAT if they are allowed. As end-of-season tie breakers include total points scored, in the off chance that it will matter, teams aren't in the practice of refusing to take (essentially free) points.  -- Jayron  32  15:34, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I think that the times I've seen it skipped have been in college ball. The team that's behind scores the TD as the clock expires, taking the lead, and (if they are the home team) the crowd spills out onto the field, making it impractical and pointless to clear the field just to kick the extra point. An example with a twist was the Stanford band play, in which the losing team's band and fans were on the field, and no extra point was attempted.
 * When you refer to end-of-season tie-breakers, are you referring to the NFL? How does the tie-breaker work and in what context? Duoduoduo (talk) 16:36, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
 * In the NFL, 6 teams from each conference go to the playoffs. In case of ties in the conference standings which would theoretically result in more than 6 qualifiers, they don't play extra games like they do in baseball. Instead, they use a tiebreaking formula hierarchy. One of those steps has to do with total points scored during the season. That's why every point counts. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:05, 19 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Soccer rules on the matter are explained here, which states that the Referee has discretion in when to end the game, persuant to guidelines regarding injury time and other extra time added to the end of the normal 90 minute game. There is no rule that requires the goal to count (indeed, the rules seem to indicate that such a goal would only count if it crossed the goal line before the whistle blew) but the page I linked states that such a scenario is very unlikely in soccer, as the refs are trained to time their game-ending whistle blow at a point where that couldn't happen.  So, if soccer is working like it is supposed to, the issue should never come up.  -- Jayron  32  19:47, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I can certainly remember that happening once in the UK - the ball ended up in the net *just* (like a second) after the final whistle and it didn't count. Some time in the late 90s, I think it was. Struggling to remember any more details, but I do remember that the commentators and pundits were saying that it was bad form all round. In all the time I've been following the game, it's been about as common an occurrence as the ball hitting an inflatable beach ball thrown onto the pitch by a fan and being deflected in for a goal (i.e. once).... --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 20:14, 18 September 2012 (UTC)


 * And did the goal off the beach ball count? Duoduoduo (talk) 21:54, 18 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, yes it did - though I remember debate afterwards as to whether the referee was right to allow it. Sunderland vs. Liverpool in 2009. Scored for Sunderland by Darren Bent. The kid who threw it on the pitch was a Liverpool fan too. --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 22:05, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I can remember an instance in the Naughties where a referee blew the full time whistle as a corner was kicked but the attacking team scored from that corner... It wasn't given as the ref had blown but I do seem to remember the referee was demoted to a lower league game after it... Like User:Kurt Shaped Box|Kurt Shaped Box]] above though I cannot remember enough details to link to it... gaz hiley  10:07, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
 * One of the instances of this was the Brazil v Sweden World Cup Qualifier in the 70s. Brazil took a corner and scored. The Ref blew the whistle as the ball crossed the line. Everyone thought it was to signal the goal but it was actually the final whistle to end the game. Not many Brazilian people were happy with that. Nanonic (talk) 06:58, 19 September 2012 (UTC)


 * In Australian Football, a ball in the air when the siren begins to sound can still score. HiLo48 (talk) 02:09, 19 September 2012 (UTC)


 * In both forms of Rugby the final whistle can only be blown when the ball is dead, thus if it's still in play the game will continue until a player is tackled (in Rugby League), the ball is kicked/thrown/ran to touch, a foul is awarded or a score is made. Time is also usually extended to allow for a penalty kick at goal or a conversion to be taken. Nanonic (talk) 06:58, 19 September 2012 (UTC)