Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Entertainment/2012 September 8

= September 8 =

NFL League secondary markets
Hi all, have searched extensively for a comprehensive compact official list naming all of the NFL League directed "secondary markets" for television broadcast with no luck on a comprehensive list so far, does anyone know for sure which markets are truly secondary to which teams, thanks a ton!Marketdiamond (talk) 16:50, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I did find This website which has the coverage maps for every game, but does not indicate how they are set. Still looking.  -- Jayron  32  20:20, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes! Thanks Jayron, that is exactly what I'm searching for though I am very familiar with The 506 site, as you probably already know taking 17 maps for every season and trying to deduce a pattern among byes and different time slots is maddening. Just to aid in all search efforts I did have some limited luck on Google "discussion" searches however the very detailed posts were mainly some well experienced fans anecdotal observations, or what they perceived as possibly official.  Wouldn't think this would be a needle in haystack thing (especially for image searches MLB territory maps show up but alas nothing offical from the NFL).  Thanks for the search efforts hopefully we can find it!  Marketdiamond (talk) 20:26, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I couldn't find anything else, but that website I just gave you has facebook and twitter contact information. Perhaps you could contact the site owner and ask him directly. It seems like he's getting his info from somewhere, and I think if I had to find out, I'd try contacting him. -- Jayron  32  20:27, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Appreciate the effort, I have also considered contacting the league office on Monday. Love the 506 but he may be out of the loop on which markets are officially blackout/priority "secondary markets" and might just be aggregating programming data for that week.  Any one else have suggestions?  Marketdiamond (talk) 20:31, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, you may be better off trying to contact the league directly. The guy who runs those NFL maps on 506.com is not affiliated with the league or any other broadcaster. He started it as a hobby around 2005 be aggregating programming data from various websites like tvguide.com, titantv.com and reading press releases from Fox or CBS. At one point in 2009, he attempted to construct an unofficial list of the secondary markets (scroll down the FAQs on his 2009 map page). I believe he is still out of the loop on that. Zzyzx11 (talk) 04:22, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Which starts to beg the question, unlike the NHL and MLB, does the NFL deny requests from folks like 506 and others for a comprehensive list (though the commish has answered questions on a market here or a market there when fan uproar in those areas gets hot). Wouldn't think the NFL making that info public would be some big industry secret.  Marketdiamond (talk) 08:40, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Cycling four-note tune in baseball
Hi. I'm English and know nothing much about baseball. But occasionally, when I've seen clips of a game, there is a certain tune that gets played, of four rising notes repeated over and over. It sounds like it's being played on an organ or calliope, and it gets higher in pitch and faster and faster (suggesting rising excitement). Does anyone know what I'm talking about? What is the purpose of this little baseball tune and does it have a name? 86.159.192.146 (talk) 22:42, 8 September 2012 (UTC)


 * I think you mean Charge (fanfare), where the first four notes cycle as you describe, until finishing with the "charge" part shown in that article - like this. -- Finlay McWalterჷTalk 23:10, 8 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Excellent. I knew somebody would know. 86.159.192.146 (talk) 23:31, 8 September 2012 (UTC)


 * As the article states, it began at USC, whose home field is the LA Coliseum. When the Dodgers moved west, they set up shop in the Coliseum, and the fans of the Dodgers picked up on that "Charge!" bit. Almost everyone uses it now.Example There's also a longer version, which the Houston Astros began using in the Astrodome, and is basically the old "Cavalry Charge".Example Both of these bits are typically played on the bugle, naturally. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 05:29, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
 * The San Diego Chargers, which got their start in the LA Coliseum, picked up on the "Charge!" call and named their team after it. 69.62.243.48 (talk) 20:54, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

These don't sound like pure notes--they're cords, aren't they? μηδείς (talk) 21:22, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
 * In my first example link, the item I found indeed had 4 notes repeated several times, and then the 6-note "Charge" bit came in. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:19, 9 September 2012 (UTC)


 * The apparent "fatness" of the notes, particularly when they're played on an organ, is probably due to the organ playing octaves of the original line, or perhaps octaves and fifths. The sample I linked above (which matches my recollection of how it's usually played) doesn't (to my cloth ears at least) contain triads. -- Finlay McWalterჷTalk 22:39, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Individual organ notes are also dense in harmonics, so a single "note" may have a lot of "chordal" character. The same thing happens in Distortion, the power chord was basically developed because distortion harmonics introduce extra notes that clash with the third in very uncomfortable ways.  Taking the third out of the chord is a way to avoid clashing with these "extra notes".  -- Jayron  32  23:11, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I meant to say "chord" of chourse, and find Finlay's and Jayron's explanations make sense. μηδείς (talk) 23:26, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
 * In any case, I think the OP is referring to the four-note "prefix" to the "charge" item (which is six notes), rather than to "charge" itself - and I doubt that prefix has a name, but if it does, it would be interesting to know. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:40, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
 * No, I think he's refering to the repetitive four note but that comes before that. The DUN-dun-dun-dun, DUN-dun-dun-dun that goes faster and faster, that leads up to the Dun-da-da-dun-da-da CHARGE bit.  But regardless, it's all part of the same musical piece.  -- Jayron  32  23:54, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's what I'm talking about. But was it always there, or was it a later embellishment? I'm thinking the latter. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:03, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Seems like OP would enjoy Cricket leagues picking up on that! Marketdiamond (talk) 10:32, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
 * The only British sport (that I can think of) that uses music to increase excitement is Greyhound racing which often has a recorded fanfare prior to the off. However, we do a lot of singing, especially at football and rugby games. Not really sure how it would work with cricket. Alansplodge (talk) 17:04, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, I see that greyhound racing was introduced to Britain in 1926 "by an American, Charles Munn". We live and learn. Alansplodge (talk) 17:07, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Must have been an interesting race, with all those buses tooling around the track. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:08, 11 September 2012 (UTC)


 * So what is the point of this annoying tune? Astronaut (talk) 17:15, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
 * To help get the crowd involved. That's the theory, anyway. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:39, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Why? Sell more Beer? see 7th_inning_stretch. Even thou to you it may be annoying, it is a much better alternative then the ubiquitous YMCA and Sweet Caroline. Marketdiamond (talk) 07:28, 11 September 2012 (UTC)