Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Entertainment/2013 August 4

= August 4 =

There's a run in my red stocking.
If a player gets on base, then either (a) gets pulled for a pinch runner or (b) is injured, and his replacement scores, who gets credit for the run? Clarityfiend (talk) 00:58, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Which sport is this about? For baseball, it's the batter that gets credit for an RBI, and if its a solen base  then it would be the player actually stealing he base.  I don't think baserunners have their scoring tracked (except for home runs).  RudolfRed (talk) 01:08, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
 * They do. There's two stats: "RBI" (runs batted in), which is runs that score while you're at the plate (rules are a bit complex, but that's it in a nutshell) and "runs", which are the number of times that you cross home plate yourself.  It's very possible for a person to score a run without ever having a plate appearance: a pinch runner who is put in and then crosses home plate would get credit for a run, but never appeared at the plate.  I'm sure someone like Bugs will come along and be able to use Retrosheet or something to find you examples of players whose entire career stat lines work like that (in a sort of Moonlight Graham way).  But yes, a pinch runner who crosses home plate on a later hit gets credited with the run, and not the player he replaced.  -- Jayron  32  01:28, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
 * The most obvious example, to my mind, is Herb Washington, a track star who was hired by the Oakland A's specifically to be a pinch runner, and never had a plate appearance in the majors, during his season-and-a-fraction. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 03:13, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I knew you wouldn't disappoint, Bugs. Well done.-- Jayron  32  03:33, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Clarityfiend (talk) 01:55, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
 * There's even been a couple of instances in the major leagues when a player has hit a home run out of the park, but injured himself running the bases; a pinch-runner had to complete the trot around the bases. In those cases the hitter gets credit for the RBI and the pinch-runner gets the run. Gabe Kapler was the last player to hit a home run without scoring the run himself (in 2005, it's mentioned in the article). Xuxl (talk) 10:11, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Not exactly, but still a rare occurrence: Kapler was on base in the 5th on 9/14/05 when Tony Graffanino homered and then time was called to pinch-run Alejandro Machado for Kapler. The incident is described in bold-face in the Retrosheet play-by-play. 16:08, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually, on any over-the-fence home run, time is automatically called (implicitly, at least), which is why the pinch-runner can be brought in. It's the same as if he were brought in in the normal way. Time is always called (i.e. "dead ball") for making a substitution. In contrast, if it were a live-ball situation, if the guy's knee imploded while off the base (or forced) then he would be tagged out, unless the other team was feeling generous. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 16:40, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
 * IIRC, fat old Babe Ruth, during his final season with the Boston Braves, used to have people pinch run his home runs. At least, I believe the point was made that it happened that way in the film The Babe, not sure if that was accurate or not.  -- Jayron  32  02:02, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * He hit 6 homers in 1935, including 3 in one day, which probably tuckered him out. I don't know that the pinch-run rule was around then. But anything's possible. In all 4 games where he homered, another player finished the game in his spot in the lineup. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 03:58, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Here's an account of that three-homer game. It states "The toughest test for the out-of-shape Ruth might have been just circling the bases for the third time on the day." Clarityfiend (talk) 07:38, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Bono's screenplay
Here's an interesting one: a U2 question not by Miss Bono ;) About 10 years ago or so, maybe 15, I heard on the news that Bono had just finished some screenplay he had been working on for 10 years. I know it wasn't this film, because Bono had nothing to do with it. Does anyone know whether such a creature exists? IBE (talk) 08:31, 4 August 2013 (UTC)


 * The Million Dollar Hotel? Adam Bishop (talk) 10:52, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
 * As per the article, he wrote the story but not the screenplay. But I suspect this is it, yes.  I saw it when it came out, and bought the DVD.  Not the best movie, but better than it could have been, I suppose. Decent cast. Mingmingla (talk) 17:33, 4 August 2013 (UTC)


 * I assume that's the one, so thanks to all. I'll leave it open in case someone knows of something else, but I assume that's it. IBE (talk) 08:50, 5 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Hey! IBE, I just found this question. Awwww, I would liked to answer that... I knew the answer :D...  Miss Bono  [hello, hello!]  14:04, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Request for content
I'm not sure if I'm in the right place, but I'd like to get The Cats and Swan Lake to DYK. I've found some relevant books, but unfortunately, I don't have them. Any chance someone with the following books: could help me out?-- Laun  chba  ller  10:22, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
 * If no one here can help you, you might try WP:REX. Deor (talk) 12:49, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I think I have de Koningh's book and several books based on the Encyclopedia of Popular Music, although the reggae one I have doesn't have an entry for the band (note that entries from this are often reproduced at sites such as Allmusic if they don't have their own bios - in this case Allmusic have their own bio ). I'll take a look later and see what I can find. A few more sources that may be useful:, , . --Michig (talk) 13:19, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually it looks like Allmusic have mixed up two bands with the same name there. --Michig (talk) 14:03, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Couldn't find the de Koningh book so maybe I don't have it. Sorry. --Michig (talk) 05:50, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks anyway. I'm pretty sure one of them is already being used, but I'll add the two Morrissey articles there. In the meantime, I've gone to WP:REX here.-- Laun  chba  ller  14:43, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Bond, James Bond
I searched for this, and it redirected me to the James Bond article. I've watched quite a few Bond films. I think it is only in Quantum of Solace when I don't hear Bond uttering the one liner, "Bond, James Bond". Which other of the Bond films did 007 not say this line? ☯ Bonkers The Clown  \(^_^)/  Nonsensical Babble  ☯ 13:00, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
 * This article suggests you had it right, Quantum of Solace is the first time he didn't use it. Biggs Pliff (talk) 21:43, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Didn't they also eschew the famous gun-barrel sequence in that one? Or maybe pushed it to the closing credits? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:20, 6 August 2013 (UTC)