Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Entertainment/2013 January 15

= January 15 =

Old Man blind cartoon
I remember that there was a cartoon series where the main character is an old man who is blind and always causes trouble which makes its funny and they recently made a movie about it? I think it is called Macdoo or something. --Donmust90 (talk) 02:15, 15 January 2013 (UTC)Donmust90


 * Mr. Magoo. ---Sluzzelin talk  02:17, 15 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Magoo is not blind, he's just very nearsighted, so he's always squinting, and still can't quite get things right. He had a good career, though. He did a musical version of A Christmas Carol. He also did voiceovers for Thurston Howell. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:20, 15 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Note that this character is despised by the blind and visually disabled, as it portrays them as bumbling idiots. StuRat (talk) 17:21, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * How would they know? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 05:56, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Helen Keller seemed to know a few things. --   Jack of Oz   [Talk]  20:44, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Good point. She wrote extensively about Mr. Magoo. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:38, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I am fairly certain he was a bumbling fool because he was portrayed by Jim Backus. μηδείς (talk) 22:28, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, I hinted at that point earlier. :) In addition to nearsighted folks being offended by a bumbling nearsighted guy, rich folks might have been offended by a bumbling rich guy. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 05:26, 18 January 2013 (UTC)


 * It has been argued that Magoo's failing is not that he's nearsighted but that he is unaware that his vision is less than perfect, or – worse – too proud to wear glasses or otherwise acknowledge it. —Tamfang (talk) 04:41, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

2013 East Asian Games
OK, a bit of backstory. A few days ago, I encountered a note posted by Deskana on the talk page of an indefinitely blocked editor. He disclosed that Intoronto1125 had attempted via IRC to have him perform a number of edits to articles regarding the 2013 East Asian Games, but that he refused on the grounds that we do not take requests from blocked/banned users. Intoronto1125's claim is that there are several hoaxes within these pages and were likely added as a form of subtle vandalism. The examples he listed thus far can be found in the link to the talk page discussion above, but for convenience I'll post them here:


 * 2013 East Asian Games &mdash; Iran, India, Uzbekistan, and Kazakhstan were not actually invited to the games, according to Intoronto1125.
 * Football at the 2013 East Asian Games &mdash; He suggested redirecting this one to the main 2013 East Asian Games page; his opinion may not factor into the final equation on the grounds that he is in fact blocked, but I feel it is something worth discussing and I happen to agree with his opinion after a cursory examination of the article.
 * 2013 East Asian Basketball Championship &mdash; He refers to this article as a "blatant hoax."
 * Tomomi Okazaki &mdash; Intoronto1125 cites a specific sentence in this biographical article as being patently false: "In the opening ceremonies for those games, she became the first woman to bear her country's flag at a Winter Olympics."

I'm not an expert in the field of sports, so I don't know whether or not Intoronto1125 is correct in that this is an issue that needs a quick resolution. I would like it if we examined the East Asian Games articles to see if his claims have any credence. Even though he is blocked and editing on behalf of someone who has been sanctioned is generally not condoned, I place the integrity of the encyclopedia at a higher value than its bureaucracy. So would someone with more knowledge on the subject mind looking into this situation to check for factual accuracy?

Thanks. Kurtis (talk) 02:26, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I corrected the Tomomi Okazaki article with a RS in ja. There were factual errors. Oda Mari (talk) 08:54, 15 January 2013 (UTC)


 * The list of participants in the 2013 East Asian Games are on the official website, and do not not include those four countries. Adam Bishop (talk) 12:10, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Avant-garde Hip hop/Rap
I've been listening to two artists recently that piqued my interest in non-conventional hip hop music: Shabazz Palaces and Azealia Banks.

Is there such a thing as Avant-garde or experimental Hip hop/rap? If so, who are some of the artists? I'm not even talking about known artists that may be considered alternative hip hop -- is there is anything beyond? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.202.135.123 (talk) 03:05, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Flying Lotus, maybe. Also have a look at the article on Industrial hip hop. --Viennese Waltz 09:31, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Death Grips comes to mind. Also, an album usually considered a classic in this genre is Madvillainy by Madvillain. Hia10 (talk) 21:38, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Busta Rhymes was avant garde back in the day. μηδείς (talk) 22:25, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
 * The OP should check out the Anticon and Lex Records labels, particularly Boom Bip, Doseone, Buck 65, Odd Nosdam and Why?. Plenty of 'non-conventional' hip-hop there. — sparklism  hey! 14:51, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
 * They are more popular than the average band described as "avante garde", but I think Pharrell Williams and N.E.R.D may qualify as at the least an alternative hip-hop act. -- Jayron  32  14:55, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

What does the woman say in the Safety Dance video?
It sounds like "fo see" but I don't know what to make of that. Some results on Google suggest "dancez" but the first part doesn't sound like a 'd' to me. Thanks. 20.137.2.50 (talk) 16:23, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Lyric sites, when they do give the line, seem to go with "Come see!" which sounds about right and makes some sense in the context of the other lyrics. I have to admit I was wondered quite what she was singing in that line too,  back in 1984.  Relevant section of The Safety Dance video (here).  FlowerpotmaN &middot;( t ) 17:10, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Unless I missing something, I though it was "Dancez" as in French for "Dance!" It uses a correct accent as it's pronounced in the song. Sort of a nod to its Canadian-ness. Mingmingla (talk) 18:50, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I've listened to it a dozen times. It sounds unambiguously like "dancez" to me as well.  Being French for the command "(you) dance!" it fits the song much better than "come see", which doesn't really make sense.  As an aside, while researching this answer I came across this website which shows that some people have far too much time on their hands... -- Jayron  32  19:18, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Had a chance to listen to it with better speakers and (in an unprecedented move here), I am going to change my mind have to go with "Dancez" as well. Oh, well, at least Beelzebub still has a devil for a sideboard, right?  FlowerpotmaN &middot;( t ) 23:06, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey, that's my blog post! And you're right, way too much time on my hands. I always thought she said "And sing!" GuanoLad (talk) 04:47, 20 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks all. Reminds me of a (PBS, I think) show, maybe Nova, with a piece about how the human brain is wired to quickly apply auditory interpretation once it's known what the information really is. They played something that sounded pretty much like a wet finger on a glass jar ("squiggly" sounding) and told viewers to try to figure out what word was being mixed. I know I couldn't tell. Then they said what word was being said and played the sound again. Once I knew, I couldn't not hear the word. There's probably a name for the effect. 20.137.2.50 (talk) 19:57, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Priming. Orange Suede Sofa  (talk) 20:08, 15 January 2013 (UTC)


 * She clearly says "I'm insane!". Dismas |(talk) 02:07, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Here is a (somewhat) relevant discussion about the above topic: Talk:The Safety Dance. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 00:56, 19 January 2013 (UTC)


 * It sounds to me like Dansez! but with final stress, and I thought French imperatives have initial stress. Perhaps danser, then. μηδείς (talk) 01:14, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Initial stress? Where did you get that idea? —Tamfang (talk) 06:29, 29 June 2013 (UTC)