Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Entertainment/2013 October 11

= October 11 =

a song identification
Would anybody like to identify a song for me?

http://vocaroo.com/i/s1xE1tAQfDN2

I don’t know the whole song or the name of it, just a fragment. I am guessing that it is Latin music. Is anybody familiar with this? --66.190.69.246 (talk) 09:54, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not & was eager to see if someone else was familiar. Is there any other info you can provide? Was it on the radio, was it a certain type of genre, it sounds like you hummed this out was it guitar, drums, keyboard?  Was it an instrumental or had lyrics?  Market St.⧏  ⧐ Diamond Way   15:02, 11 October 2013 (UTC)


 * If it is Latinmusic, maybe I can identify it, but as I don't have Internet access right now, can someone describe it?  Miss Bono  [hello, hello!]  15:04, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Might be wrong on this but played it a few times, it appears to be a vocal re-singing of it that my tone deaf ears can best describe as da-da-da dada da. Thus my all-other-factors question above, might help if we knew this was dance, salsa, tejano, what time period, instrumental? etc.  Market St.⧏  ⧐ Diamond Way   15:12, 11 October 2013 (UTC)


 * I heard it years ago on YTMND (which, thank goodness, I no longer visit). For the little that I heard of it, there were no lyrics. My best guess is that the instrument was some sort of accordion. --66.190.69.246 (talk) 16:15, 11 October 2013 (UTC)


 * It is too short and indistinct to identify at midomi--better sung and twice as long might get a hit there. μηδείς (talk) 00:53, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Baseball innovations
Have there been any substantial innovations in baseball strategy, tactics, or implementation of them in the modern era? I'm not talking about rule changes like raising and lowering the mound, creating the designated hitter, etc. I mean things like sacrifice bunting, the double steal, the double switch, headfirst sliding, outfielders sliding feet-first to make a catch, etc. When did each of these appear, and are there other examples of things that didn't exist in the game in, say, Babe Ruth's day? (I suppose greater use of relief pitchers, and specialized roles for them, might be one.) Duoduoduo (talk) 15:41, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
 * The change from the inside game to the power game, which Ruth and Hornsby and some others inaugurated, defines the beginning of the modern era. The use of base stealing has ebbed and flowed across all generations. The dangerous headfirst (or really "hands first") slide was used a lot by Pete Rose and Rickey Henderson, to save a step in getting to their next base, although I've seen pictures of it even from the 1930s. Conversely, the feet-first slide of some outfielders seems pretty recent. It could theoretically get the outfielder into a better position to get up and throw than is the belly flop - although if he can catch the ball feet-first, he should theoretically be able to catch it standing up. The use of pitchers has changed dramatically in the last 20 years or so. There were always relief pitchers (at least once non-injury substitutions were allowed), and relief specialists or closers started appearing at least in the 1950s; but the current notion of the starter leaving after the 100 pitch count, followed by setup men and a closer, as the standard procedure, is something that pitchers from the 1970s and earlier would have been amazed at. Bunting is much less common. Earl Weaver, for example, considered the bunt a wasted out, and was an adherent of the "big inning theory". With the DH in such common usage, both the need and the ability to do a proper bunt has diminished. Another subtle change over the years, influenced by the change from the inside game to the power game, is what Hornsby taught Ted Williams and others: "Wait for a good pitch to hit." That was not necessary for the inside game, as the idea was to get on base however possible. The modern approach is part of the reason that you see batters taking so many strikes: it's not "their pitch". Although when it's the last pitch of the season, watching it go by can be a tad embarrassing. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 16:37, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll second and expand on Bugs's note about the change in pitching rotation over the past, say, 40 years or so as being perhaps the BIGGEST strategic change in baseball. Until the early 1960s, a 4-man rotation where the starter was expected to pitch a complete game unless he got into trouble was the standard rather exception.  Today, teams employ a 5-man rotation, and starters RARELY pitch a complete game; the advent of situational relief pitchers, as well as the three-man standard crew (Starter pitches 1-6 or 7, set-up man pitches 7-8, and closer pitches 9 only) as really only become standards since the late 1990s or so.  The transition started in the 1950s and 1960s, with specialized closers like Hoyt Wilhelm really inventing the closer position, but players like Wilhelm, who were dedicated relief pitchers (rather than "failed starters" as most relivers were) didn't really catch on as a league-wide strategy until the 1970s with players like Goose Gossage and Rollie Fingers and Bruce Sutter, though most of them still expected to pitch at least two, if not three, innings.  As noted in the article on Closer (baseball), it wasn't until 1987 that a teams primary closer pitched most of his games as 1-inning saves ONLY.  And there was only one pitcher that year who did it.  Come forward another quarter century, and today you see the modern closer, someone like Mariano Rivera, who has an innings/appearance ratio of VERY close to 1 (in Mo's case, it's 1283 2/3 innings in 1115 appearences.  Compare that to someone like Bruce Sutter, who never started a game in his entire MLB career (Mo actually has 10 starts to his credit!) and Sutter had 1042 innings in 661 appearences.  There's also the very modern advent of the so-called "LOOGY" pitcher, short for "Lefty One-Out Guy", that is a reliever who spends essentially his whole career expected to come into a game JUST to get out one left-handed batter, and then sit down.  30 years ago, such a thing would have been unheard of.  Today, it is a common part of a bullpen.  Back to the rotation from the bullpen, the rotation has changed as well.  Look at the 1971 Baltimore Orioles season, which featured a 4-man rotation where EVERY starter had 20 wins, three of the four men in the rotation had 37 or more starts.  Compare that to 2013: The most starts for ANY pitcher was 34, and only 4 players in all of MLB had that many; even more striking only 1 player in ALL of MLB had over 20 wins this year, Max Scherzer.  In 2013, the league leader in Complete Games was Adam Wainwright, who had 5. In 1971, that year that the Orioles had 4 20-game winners, MLB as a whole had 14 20-game winners, Mickey Lolich himself started 45 games and won 25; I'd have to go through dozens of pitchers to find a primary starter from 1971 who ONLY started 34 games.  Most telling is the Complete Game comparison.  Remember, in 2013 Adam Wainwright led the league with 5 complete games.  In 1971, Ferguson Jenkins had 30.  I'm hard pressed to find ANY of a team's primary starters who had as few as 5 complete games in 1971.  -- Jayron  32  19:30, 11 October 2013 (UTC)