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= September 15 =

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I remember watching Mission of the Shark: The Saga of the U.S.S. Indianapolis. Early in the TV movie, Navy and Marine Corps personnel were aboard the USS Indianapolis (CA-35). They've secured a gray wooden crate with a secret commodity to the deck. Orders were being given, and speculative gossip was spreading. While all of that was going on, a foghorn was sounding off in the background. It sounded like the one in San Francisco during the 1970s when I was a child. Mission of the Shark: The Saga of the U.S.S. Indianapolis was filmed on location in Alabama. Perhaps the foghorn I'm referring to may have been relocated there, maybe I'm wrong. Could anyone believe I'm right about the foghorn? Please let me know. Thank you.142.255.103.121 (talk) 04:26, 15 September 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm unclear on what you're asking about being right about. Are you wondering if someone moved a foghorn from San Francisco to Alabama?  Possibly.  But the people of Alabama could have just bought a new one.  It's also very likely that the sound of the foghorn was put in after filming by a foley artist.  Dismas |(talk) 04:32, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

In the TV movie scene I'm referring to, the day seemed cloudy and foggy. In real life, the vessel was docked at Mare Island where they received the crate with the secret commodity. By any chance was the weather the same?142.255.103.121 (talk) 06:32, 15 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Do you mean, "Was the weather in the film that actual weather on the day of filming"? Most likely not.  It's very expensive to keep a crew waiting around for the perfect day.  They probably just filmed it on a cloudy day and then added fog with a fog machine.  Dismas |(talk) 09:06, 15 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Sound effects are typically added after principle filming is done. Boom mikes are designed to pick up nearby sounds, i.e. the actors' voices. A background sound would have to be extremely loud to register, and it probably wouldn't sound right anyway - it would likely ruin the take. Think of movies with gunfire. The sounds of gunfire are typically sound effects - because real guns sound different than movie guns. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 14:59, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

If you go to YouTube, type USS Indianapolis Jaws version in the search bar. Click on the search key, and you'll find the video. Click on it, and you might see and hear what I'm talking about.142.255.103.121 (talk) 02:30, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Music theory
Does anyone know where I can find a harmonic analysis (in figure bass emphasizing modulations / tonicization etc.) of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KQW2YnCUrE from 0:00 to 2:07? I can do it myself but it'll take too long. Money is tight (talk) 08:18, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Anyone know any good music theory forums where I can ask these questions? Money is tight (talk) 07:11, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
 * If you google "harmonic analysis" + "Bach" + "prelude in C major", you find the question being asked at several forums. At one of them, the querent gets yelled at for not doing their own homework, another forum gives this chapter from J.S. Bach's Well-Tempered Clavier — In-depth Analysis and Interpretation (by Siglind Bruhn, Mainer International, 1993. ISBN 978-962-580-017-2,, , ). Yet other forums require you to log in order to be able to read the threads, which I didn't do. ---Sluzzelin talk  11:08, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Any Band of Brothers-type shows for other factions? (British, et al.?)
Now that I've seen Band of Brothers and The Pacific, I would like to find other Band-of-Brothers-type war serieses that are about other factions of WWII:

Allies:
 * British
 * French
 * Canadian
 * Australian
 * Russian/Soviet

Axis:
 * German
 * Japanese
 * Italian

As well as other branches:


 * Navy
 * Air Force

Band of Brothers was US Army, and The Pacific was US Marines. I hope to keep finding war serieses of those styles that star other branches and/or other nations' fighting forces. Thanks. --2602:30A:2EE6:8600:5D2F:EB9C:59E7:77F (talk) 22:29, 15 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Das Boot (as a mini-series)? You might find more on our list of World War II TV series or in the Category:World War II television drama series. (Sorry, not an expert) ---Sluzzelin talk  22:56, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Das Boot as a mini-series? Sacrilege! Vandalism! Philistines! The original full length movie with soundtrack in German (English subtitles if you must) is the only way to watch the greatest war movie ever made. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 10:41, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
 * The Battle of El Alamein does a good job of covering WW2 from the Italian POV, where their troops in North Africa are depicted as fighting bravely, despite a lack of ammo and supplies, being treated as cannon fodder by the Nazis, and massacred by the British: . StuRat (talk) 05:16, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
 * British: Dad's Army, French: Allo Allo MChesterMC (talk) 09:59, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Tour of Duty Supercarrier,http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094560/ ,Strikeback ,Ultimate Force,http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0334874/, Hotclaws (talk) 11:36, 16 September 2013 (UTC)


 * There's Piece of Cake as well. Dismas |(talk) 20:13, 16 September 2013 (UTC)


 * While it doesn't quote fit the parameters you have set up Danger UXB deserves a mention and would be worth your time. MarnetteD | Talk 20:42, 16 September 2013 (UTC)


 * For Canada, there is Dieppe (film), although we don't really have any other WWII movies...I guess we just like to wait to be mentioned in American war films. We've never had a Band of Brothers or Saving Private Ryan-type movie about Juno Beach! There is more WWI-related entertainment, I suppose (Passchendaele (film), Billy Bishop Goes to War, one of the Anne of Green Gables sequels...), maybe because WWI is considered to be more foundational for Canadian history. But there's no Battle of Vimy Ridge movie either. Adam Bishop (talk) 21:09, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, we do make up half of The Devil's Brigade (film), although none of the "Canadians" I checked appear to be have been played by Canadians. What, the Great Thespian wasn't available? Clarityfiend (talk) 02:14, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

Japanese film that analogs to Der Untergang?
Now that I've seen Hitler's (and his cabinet's / inner circle's) last days, I would hope to see something like this for Hideki Tojo (at least, in the last days before the surrender and his eventual capture.) (And I suppose this film may have to involve a portrayal of Hirohito itself.)

And if such a film exists, how does its "style" and "atmosphere" compare to Der Untergang? Thanks in advance. --2602:30A:2EE6:8600:5D2F:EB9C:59E7:77F (talk) 23:50, 15 September 2013 (UTC)


 * I seem to recall seeing a sequence about the dissent within the Japanese war cabinet after the atomic bombs were dropped, and the failed coup attempt. I'm not quite sure where I saw this, but it might have been the last episode of War and Remembrance: .  (Maybe not, I don't see any Japanese cast members listed there.) StuRat (talk) 05:29, 16 September 2013 (UTC)


 * I have not seen this, so I cannot describe its style, but the film Dai Nippon teikoku (大日本帝国, The Great Japanese Empire) (Toshio Masuda, 1982) features a sympathetic portrayal of Hideki Tojo as one of the main characters, and I believe it includes his capture and trial. Additionally, I've heard that the film does contain a portrayal of Hirohito, which was considered very daring at the time as he was still alive then. --Canley (talk) 06:29, 16 September 2013 (UTC)