Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Entertainment/2013 September 5

= September 5 =

Trophy question
On the last day of the 11-12 BPL season Manchester City came from behind against QPR and their win gave them the BPL title. They were awarded the Premier League immediately after the game. Had they lost or tied their game Manchester United would have won the title. My question is this - was their a second trophy in the city (apologies as I have forgotten where they were playing although I know they were away) where Man U was playing so they could celebrate with the Cup right away or would they have had to wait until the next day and receive it when the returned home. Thanks ahead of time for your replies. MarnetteD | Talk 04:09, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Firstly, the "correct" abbreviation for the Premier League is the EPL, not BPL. I don't know and can't find the answer to your question (I am at work and internet access is limited), however, our article, 2011–12 Premier League, states that Manchester United were playing away at Sunderland and that "while United players waited on the field at Sunderland for a possible trophy presentation, Manchester City's Sergio Agüero scored the game winner in the 94th minute to clinch the title on goal difference". This would seem to indicate there were two trophies; if so, it is the first I have heard of it. BbBrock (talk) 12:27, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, there were two trophies that day, and in fact every day: "With the League owning two trophies, one will be taken to each stadium. [...] During a season, one trophy is the property of the reigning champions, while the other is used by the Premier League for PR purposes."
 * However, it has entered popular folklore that the FA owns (or hires) a helicopter that is used to ferry the one true trophy from one ground to another, should it be required. The legend goes that the helicopter is stationed roughly midway between the two relevant grounds, and sets off once it appears to become clear where the trophy will need to be presented. This has led to the last day of the season, in years where the title goes down to the wire, becoming known as 'helicopter Saturday'. In fact, this legend is so widespread that one of Manchester City's players actually saw a helicopter on the day in question and believed that it showed that his team were deemed to have lost their chance at the title. See Gareth Barry: I thought helicopter was carrying trophy to Man Utd. - Cucumber Mike (talk) 13:28, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the info. Apologies for the incorrect naming BbBrock. Per WP:ENGVAR I was afraid I was going to make a mistake. The various NBC stations that are airing this seasons games in the US are only referring to the BPL, thus, my mistake. Thanks for the link Cucumber Mike. Do you think that info about the two trophies might be worked into the section of the wikiarticle that I linked to? The info seems useful but I will leave it up to you to decide. Again I appreciate the time and effort that you both put into answering my question. Cheers. MarnetteD | Talk 16:53, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually, MarnetteD, you are right too, BPL stands for Barclays Premier League (Barclays being the sponsors), with EPL standing for English Premier League. My apologies. BbBrock (talk) 17:29, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
 * No problem at all. If memory serves it has only had that sponsorship for a couple years. Corporate branding of sports never seems to end. Here in the US it has gone so far that we get "This opening kickoff is sponsored by (insert sponsor name here)" before some games - shudder. Regards MarnetteD | Talk 22:47, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Radio bleep out
Why do the bleep out "bitch" on the radio in the US, when in the 1990s there was, Bitch (Meredith Brooks song) that said bitch several times and was never bleeped out. C T F 8 3 ! 07:03, 5 September 2013 (UTC)


 * I pay a bit of attention to censorship and First Amendment issues here in the US and have noted that different radio stations will censor different words and will censor them more or less at different times of day. I've lived in large cities and in much more rural areas and there's fairly little rhyme or reason that I've found.
 * I've heard a station censor Pink Floyd's "Money" "Don't give me that do goody good bullshit" during the afternoon on a weekday but then a few minutes later I heard The Who's "Who Are You?" "Who the fuck are you?" without any censoring at all. But then on those same stations I've heard the same songs played later at night and they both were uncensored.  And I've heard similar discrepancies from one station to the next during similar times of day.  One station will censor "Money", for instance, while another will play it without any censorship.  In the end, it comes down to what are often labeled as community standards.  One community will be judged to think that censoring is necessary while others don't.  And community standards are often based on community reaction to previous incidents.
 * In college, I did a paper on NYPD Blue which for its time was rather racy. Some stations played it while others refused to based on community feedback.  My own local station decided not to carry it.  When I interviewed them about it, they said that they had received significant response from the community that fell on the side of not airing the show.  And this was before the show even aired.  Although the Federal Communications Commission allowed it, even though they also received quite a bit of feedback about it, it was the community who stopped the show from airing in various areas.  If you read the article on NYPD Blue you'll see that the show was found to be indecent but that no fines were issued.  So even with the governing body of this sort of thing, the rules will come down on one side of the fence but the actual enforcement has often come down on the other.
 * Censorship in the United States is our article on the subject. And you might find reading about the Motion Picture Association of America and it's rating process interesting as well.  Especially after reading about or watching the film This Film Is Not Yet Rated.  Dismas |(talk) 11:41, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Just to point out to Dismas that there is a radio edit of the Who's "Who Are You", with no profanity. I think the adult version of that song was first played on daytime radio in the UK in the late 1990s, and these days it tends to be played after 7pm but not before. --TammyMoet (talk) 15:00, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
 * If there's a radio edit without the profanity, then that version could have been played in the afternoon when I heard the censored version of "Money" which just gives credence to the idea that there isn't really a rhyme or reason. Why censor one if not the other?  Dismas |(talk) 16:08, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
 * It may come down to which version of the song they have availible. As I understand it, radio stations don't typically bleep the songs "live" while they are plaing them. Instead, it's the record companies that make a radio edit version of the song. This is a completely distinct record/tape/CD/MP3/whatever that the radio stations have to purchase seperately. So it could be that that particular station had the radio edit of "Money", but only the uncut version of "Who Are You?", for whatever reason. -- 71.35.99.22 (talk) 16:44, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I usually only listen to the radio while driving in the Philadelphia market. Uncensored songs were typical in the 1980's.  Nowadays I'll hear an odd combination of censored and uncensored songs at the same time of day on the same station.  But the sound drop out is so subtle "do-goody-good buhullsh-t" that you hear the static played over the vowel as if there were no change.  Technically they could argue they have partially blocked the word, but it would be silly to say they fooled anyone.  The effective censorings are when alternative lyrics are used. μηδείς (talk) 18:19, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you all! I enjoyed reading the answers! C T F 8 3 !  22:18, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
 * It is a matter of legend that, when it was first released, the BBC's "radio edit" of Walk on the Wild Side consisted just of "do, do, do, do-de-do"... Tevildo (talk) 23:52, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
 * You may find the controversy section of our Money for Nothing article interesting. Matt Deres (talk) 01:30, 7 September 2013 (UTC)


 * I don't remember the details, but I saw an interview with a either a MuchMusic VJ or program director around the time Limp Bizkit's "Nookie" was big, on why "ass" was censored in this song, but not others. He explained that the problem (at least in Canada, at the time) was with the "stick it up your" part, which (according to the CRTC, I guess) sexualized the word. So it might be the same issue of context for other words. I've never heard The Who's "Who the fuck are you?" censored, but always hear ""I wanna ____ you like an animal" on the radio. On the other hand, ""All the other guys that you've gone and fucked" seems to be fine on my airwaves (though in the same song, "drink myself to sleep" becomes "____ myself to sleep", which sounds even more vulgar, and "give a sh*t" isn't OK, either). InedibleHulk (talk) 06:22, 7 September 2013 (UTC)


 * I don't recall Eat the Rich being censored, though I guess the "shove it up your" was more humorous than sexualized as it involved Grey Poupon. :) Matt Deres (talk) 12:23, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't either, now that you mention it. Maybe Aerosmith was above the law. Or maybe just came before it. Maybe it's not an official rule at all, but MuchMusic's local policy, or even a joke. Wish I could find a video or remember more, but it was just a short bit. It only stuck with me all these years because of a funny part where the interviewee (I think one of the two was Bill Welychka) gave a few uncensored "OK" examples and then a few that were bleeped. Sort of validated his point, but they could have just done it for comic effect.


 * In any case, it's 2013 now and kids can probably watch such cookie and mustard debauchery at 9:00 on basic cable (certainly on the Internet). InedibleHulk (talk) 14:44, 8 September 2013 (UTC)


 * As far as radio edits go, possibly the most creative was Prince in "Gett Off", where he took the recorded word and inserted it back into the track in reverse, so the phrase "big ass" sounded like "big sag". (I see from our article that this is know as "backmasking". Kudos.)--TammyMoet (talk) 14:14, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Definitely more clever than Meat Loaf and his "god of sex and drums and rock 'n' roll". InedibleHulk (talk) 14:44, 8 September 2013 (UTC)


 * It confuses me as to why radio stations will bleep out "pot" or "pills" from songs, but I haven't heard any station bleeping "molly" in the Molly Cyrus song. RNealK (talk) 02:02, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

Rugby League - random guys on field?
I was watching this video of a recently high-level Rugby League match, and right from the start there seem to be three random guys on the field behind the attacking team. (Top right of the screen - red, yellow and blue shirts.)

I doubt they're referees, so... coaching staff? Are RL teams allow staff on the pitch whenever they want like this?

46.65.210.97 (talk) 11:59, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Al Jazeera or Al Arabian news reporter confronted by Israeli in Arabic
Was it Al Jazeera or Al Arabian whose reporter was confronted by an Israeli man and speaking to him in Arabic? I think this was in 2006 during the war between Hezbollah and idf. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.53.228.135 (talk) 17:27, 5 September 2013 (UTC) <!-Autosigned by SineBot-->