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= July 10 =

Where were Mike Todd's personal papers deposited?
I am looking for information on where the personal papers of Mike Todd of Todd-AO fame might have been deposited following his death in 1958. His wife at the time was Elizabeth Taylor. Thanks!

Tattered demalion (talk) 18:20, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Todd has many descendants still alive; as of the death of his eldest son Mike Todd, Jr. in 2002, he left six living children. He also had one daughter, Liza Todd, with Elizabeth Taylor.  I don't know how to get in touch with any of his living descendants, but if anyone knows what happened to his estate after his death, one of them might.  -- Jayron  32  18:28, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Oscar nominated films without an article
I've found out that there are many films which received a nomination for an Academy Award but don't have an article here. Even worse, many of them don't have an Wikidata entry. Maybe you want to help me to reduce the number of such movies. Here I listed them. --Jobu0101 (talk) 23:48, 10 July 2014 (UTC)


 * A worth request, I'm sure. But perhaps better to be made over at Wikipedia's |"Film Project"?.. as it says there, "a collaboration area for Wikipedians interested in improving coverage of film" -El duderino (abides) 21:24, 11 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the proposal. Now we can continue discussing here. --Jobu0101 (talk) 23:02, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Unrigged professional wrestling
History of professional wrestling notes that the separation between rigged and unrigged wrestling began in the 1920s, and then it proceeds simply to discuss the former, as far as I can tell. Why aren't there professional wrestling (unrigged, actual sporting) competitions, at least in the US? Professional boxing is popular, and it doesn't seem to be rigged (this incident is a bit overboard for something that's pre-planned!), and high-school wrestling matches draw plenty of spectators, so I don't see why wrestling wouldn't exist as a real professional sport. Nyttend (talk) 23:49, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Mixed martial arts is "real" pro wrestling. Independent contractors hype feuds on TV with promos and video packages, then settle it in a cage on pay-per-view, using any style they'd like (within a few rules). At least one promotion has already tried tag team fights. The UFC World Heavyweight Champion, Cain Velasquez is an accomplished collegiate wrestler, as are many others. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:15, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
 * How do we know it's not rigged? HiLo48 (talk) 00:21, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Would an organization based in Las Vegas lie? Would Chael Sonnen?


 * I should mention the guy Velasquez beat was also a WWE champ. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:26, 11 July 2014 (UTC)


 * So he's used to following a script. HiLo48 (talk) 04:37, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
 * He definitely got a huge push, based on his name value, not his record. That pissed off some purists, but was great for business. So great, that having him drop the title so soon and aborting the whole angle would be absolutely boneheaded booking. So would the UFC 112 debaucle.


 * And whoever's writing Jon Fitch or Jared Rosholt's boring 15-minute pinfalls would have been fired long ago. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:44, 12 July 2014 (UTC)


 * MMA is likely "real", but some may contend that it is not really "wrestling". Sure, they grapple and such, but AFAIK striking blows (punches, kicks, etc) are not usually considered legal wrestling techniques. Greco-roman wrestling is I think more what the OP is getting at. I'm not sure if any place in the world supports proffessional combatants using that fighting style, but there is of course professional Sumo wrestling in Japan. Turkish Oil_wrestling is very popular and has large competitions, but I don't know if the entrants are considered professionals. SemanticMantis (talk) 13:52, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Striking's legal in pro wrestling, and Greco-Roman techniques are very common in pro MMA. The opening match of UFC 1 actually featured a huge sumo wrestler, Teila Tuli, against a tiny karateka, Gerard Gordeau. The tiny guy demolished him. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:44, 12 July 2014 (UTC)


 * If the OP is indeed wondering about straight-up pro "amateur" style, there may be hope yet. Seems a respectable gate. Apparently, an "amateur" promotion called Agon exists. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:58, 12 July 2014 (UTC)


 * See Real Pro Wrestling.  → Michael J Ⓣ Ⓒ Ⓜ 09:14, 14 July 2014 (UTC)