Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Entertainment/2014 July 21

= July 21 =

Sondra Locke article
In the first line you state that it is unsure about when she was born. But, later in the early life portion it states that she graduated in 1962. So, that would make here year of birth 1944. How accurate is the information of her graduation? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ElmerFudd63 (talk • contribs)
 * The article says they're a dispute, not that it's unsure, and lists plenty of evidence that it's 1944. Some women lie about their age.  Wikipedia gives due weight to mainstream publications, so the fact that most sources give the wrong date is mentioned.  Ian.thomson (talk) 01:36, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Also, what makes you think that just because she graduated in 1962, she must have been born in 1944? People graduate at different ages not just 18. --Viennese Waltz 08:49, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Assuming her high school graduation year was in fact 1962, a birth year of 1947 seems kind of unlikely - though not impossible. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 12:10, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Hypothetical Synopsis of Law & Order episode calledEncore
Can anyone Please tell me if my Hypothetical Theory would make sense: [Dobson didn't borrow any money from Giabone. Dobson asked Giabone to pay Cruz to kill Emily. Since Cruz's hispanic, Dobson asked Giabone to ask Cruz if Cruz would accept a Caucasian man's money. Cruz agreed to accept a Caucasian man's money, which means that Cruz agreed to accept Dobson's money. Dobson still asked Giabone to pay Cruz to kill Emily. Giabone still decided to use his own money to pay Cruz to kill Emily. Cruz doesn't know that the Money came from Giabone. Dobson, Giabone, & Cruz don't know that Mail will get Sent back in 30 days. Dobson & Giabone are talking privately. Since Dobson asked Giabone to pay Cruz, Dobson will use Emily's life insurance Money to Pay back Giabone. Dobson knows that Giabone's under investigation for other Crimes. If Luiz gets arrested, then Police will only find Giabone's fingerprints on Money & Police will Stop suspecting that Dobson's evil. If Giabone tries to tell Police that Dobson's evil too, then Dobson will tell Police that Giabone's guilty for other Crimes. If Dobson & Cruz testify against Giabone, then (Dobson will get Life Sentence, Giabone will get Death Penalty, & Cruz will get Life Sentence). Emily gets killed. Cruz escapes. Cruz calls Dobson. Cruz sneaks out of this Country. Mailbox Company actually tells Cruz's girlfriend that Mail will get Sent back in 30 days. Cruz comes back into this country, but Cruz gets arrested. When Jack says "Dobson", Cruz confesses that Dobson wanted Emily dead. Since Jack said "Dobson", that prevented Cruz from revealing that Giabone's also involved in Emily's murder. When Cruz realizes that Money only has Giabone's fingerprints, Cruz realizes that Money came from Giabone. Since Dobson's fingerprints are Not on Money, Cruz believes that (Nobody will Believe that Dobson's evil too). Since Cruz's asking for (Manslaughter Degree) to Testify that Giabone's responsible for Emily's murder & other Crimes, Cruz's happy for joining Forces with Dobson & Giabone will get Life Sentence. Dobson will continue Lying to Police that Giabone threatened to kill Dobson's kids. Unfortunately, Jack has no choice to drop Charges against Dobson. Jack will realize that (Dobson, Giabone, & Cruz) are involved in Emily's murder.](73.48.225.235 (talk) 03:47, 21 July 2014 (UTC)).
 * No, we cannot. Telling you if your own fan fiction makes sense isn't what this Reference desk does.  -- Jayron  32  03:52, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

overweight,long-haired, leaping, gnome
I remember this segment from a long time ago. Wonder if you could help me locate the source?
 * Googling these words found me Wikipedia's Village Pump. You shouldn't ask these sorts of things there.


 * Judging by the Yahoo answer beneath it, you want Spill the Wine, perhaps. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:33, 21 July 2014 (UTC)


 * That was an "overfed" gnome. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:34, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Identifying music
For the bit from 3:07 to 3:35 in youtu.be/BrUQcmI9Fi4?t=3m7s, is it original or borrowed from another piece? That bit is particularly nice sounding and the rest of the piece is borrowed from the well known canon in D so I want to hear the whole piece if this bit is borrowed...

European Swords in Escrima?
Dear Ladies and Gentlemen.

I have found a curious video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sd4exayuKM0 with a grand master named Bill Newman (I have never heard of him before) that seems to teach fighting with both Easterm and Western weapons. I am a practioner of both FMA and Western Martial Arts (the German school of fencing to be exact, a wonderful representation can be found under http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ln94E9AGYTc&list=UUhJ0Y62tWOLPzfe5f0Io5ng). Since I have never seen Escrima practioners using such big swords and strange stances and guards, I wonder myself if this style of Escrima has anything to do with the real "Escrima" or if they are just imitating modern movie fencing. Is this a effective way to fight or is it nonsense? Is it even possible to use a European sword effectively with this style of Escrima?

Thank you for your answers

All the best.--178.195.94.230 (talk) 10:16, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

did arlene francis have breast cancer along with alzheimers
71.186.219.35 (talk) 10:19, 21 July 2014 (UTC)vince
 * This question was raised here recently. [By you, on July 9th] She had cancer, but available sources don't indicate which type. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 12:05, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

what song is this?
Hello Wikipedia community, I'm looking for a song, it is a classic song, I think. But I only remember a small part of it. I try to reproduce this part using my mouth, hope this will be enough to identify the song. If someone could tell me what song is it, I will buy him/her a beer :) Thanks. 2.181.99.66 (talk) 17:05, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Is there a name for this type of singing?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGIX_WHyFL8

Notice the way he says "loyal". I've heard that kind of middle eastern singing before and am wondering if it has a specific name for it. 2.102.187.187 (talk) 17:39, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
 * That's not a particularly good example, but "Middle Eastern singing" often features a lot of melisma. Is that what you're referring to? Deor (talk) 22:36, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
 * It might be. I'm struggling to find examples on YouTube but I remember hearing that kind of tone (when the kid says "loyal") in classical arabic music. 2.102.187.187 (talk) 22:52, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I also think it's (brief) melisma, but you are also probably picking up on the scale_(music) used, because it is not common in western music. Middle eastern music often uses "strange" scales by western standards, e.g. Phrygian dominant scale. I don't have a good ear for this, so I can't tell you what specific scale that song uses. Another thing to listen for is quarter tones, which I think he might be using in that portion of the song. Some addition info at Arabic_music. SemanticMantis (talk) 16:14, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

A question regarding character recycling
I've noticed some characters a long time ago that have been recycled into new characters for their new franchise like the Baabians used for Escape from Planet Earth were originally green humanoid alien people for Planet 51 and Daphne Blake was once an antagonist on Grandma Got Run Over by a Reindeer as Cousin Mel that is usually a protagonist on the Scooby Doo universe. The popular muppet alien "Gonzo" for the later Muppet series was originally Snarl that made it's debut in The Great Santa Claus Switch and the other out of print version of Grover that was green colored turned blue on the Second season of Sesame Street. This question is one of the trivial things that people do if a desired character is needed and if Wikipedia should have an article about that concept of re-using characters.--HappyLogolover2011 (talk) 22:44, 21 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Not an answer, but Robbie the Robot may hold the record for most reused character in unrelated shows. StuRat (talk) 22:53, 21 July 2014 (UTC)


 * That is an excellent choice StuRat. As a kid in the 60s I remember him showing up on so many sitcoms. Of course, his meeting with the Robot on Lost in Space is an all-timer. The character of John Munch appeared in nine different TV series on five networks. I'm not sure whether that would be considered recycling but I thought it worth a mention. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 23:31, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Similarly (and in pretty much the same "universe") Jerry Orbach played Detective Lennie Briscoe in several of the Law and Order series. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:19, 22 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Ub Iwerks turned Mickey Mouse from The Karnival Kid into Flip the Frog from Circus. And then there's the mystery mouse from Fiddlesticks. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:45, 21 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Gene Kelly played the nightclub character "Danny McGuire" in 1944's Cover Girl (film) and then again in 1980's Xanadu (film). ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 16:13, 22 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Buddy Ebsen reprised his TV role of "Barnaby Jones" in the movie version of The Beverly Hillbillies - only because he had also played Jed Clampett in the TV version. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 16:13, 22 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Character recycling of a different sort: Soylent Green. Clarityfiend (talk) 05:19, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Towards the earlier days of all-digital animated feature films, Aki Ross was created as a character model which could be used to appear in several films playing different roles, just like a real actress. She was in Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within and Animatrix. Her career ended when her first and only feature cost a zillion dollars to make and then bombed. Staecker (talk) 22:12, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Detective Munch is a more recent (and well known) example. Evan (talk&#124;contribs) 22:06, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Here is an example that fits the OPs question Charters and Caldicott began life in the Hitchcock film The Lady Vanishes. Their popularity lead to other film appearances. They also were used in some radio dramas and the 1985 TV serial Charters and Caldicott. Sadly the latter has yet to see a DVD release :-( MarnetteD&#124;Talk 15:58, 27 July 2014 (UTC)