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= May 26 =

C.K. Dexter Haven
What does the C.K. in C.K. Dexter Haven from Philadelphia Story stand for? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.216.148.59 (talk) 09:28, 26 May 2014 (UTC)


 * TV Tropes says it's an example of "No Name Given", both in The Philadelphia Story and High Society . ---Sluzzelin  talk  10:52, 26 May 2014 (UTC)


 * The first version of The Philadelphia Story was a play. It's in Google Books but only a limited number of pages can be displayed.  At one point the reporter Mike (James Stewart in the movie) sees the name C.K. Dexter Haven and is taken aback by the use a given name preceded by two initials.  He wonders aloud about what sort of guy would go by that name and what the C.K. stands for.  If he finds out, Google Books isn't telling me&mdash;but it seems to me that the scene works better if he never does.  --50.100.193.30 (talk) 06:59, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Sequel replaced
Please tell me the name of the movie franchise in which there was a sequel (my memory is that it was the third movie in the franchise) that was so pathetic that they studio pretended it was never made and then released a new movie that replaced it. I intended to use this in an anecdote, but forgot the title of the movie franchise. I simply remember that the movie titles are something like Some Movie, Some Movie II, Some Movie III, Some Movie III, Some Movie IV... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.149.113.71 (talk) 12:35, 26 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Don't know if they replaced it, but Alien 3 was rather pathetic. (I think Alien 2 was actually better than 1, however.)  The 4th movie was then called Alien: Resurrection, not Alien 4, and I'm not sure if the events in Alien 3 were ever referenced again. StuRat (talk) 13:06, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I think Highlander (franchise) might qualify. The second one was particularly odd. Mingmingla (talk) 16:48, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
 * It might be easier to find examples of this from video games. It's happened more than once that a series has a bogus installment which is then ignored in subsequent games. CD-i games from The Legend of Zelda series is a well-known example. According to our The Legend of Zelda article: "Nintendo never acknowledged them in the Zelda timeline, and they are considered to be in a separate, self-contained canon". Hotel Mario has a similar story. I can't think of other examples like this, but maybe others can. Staecker (talk) 23:59, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Every other Star Trek movie is said by many critics and fans (this can be referenced by the way) to be really bad. Maybe it was one of them.--Mark Miller (talk) 00:12, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'm pretty sure you're thinking of Highlander. The bizarre (and terrible) second film was followed up on with a television series and a series of TV movies that totally ignored it. Evan (talk&#124;contribs) 00:15, 27 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Superman Returns was publicized as taking place after Superman II, hence ignoring the rather lame Superman III and IV. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 07:13, 27 May 2014 (UTC)


 * I found it and it wasn't the studio that caused the problem. It was the distribution company. After Police Story III, a spinoff was made that was distributed as Police Story IV. The studio didn't consider it to be Police Story IV at all. Then, they released Police Story IV. So, the replacement movie was only seen as a replacement by those who initially saw the incorrectly titled move from the distribution company. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.149.113.71 (talk) 12:01, 27 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Roughly similar (in a mockbuster sort of way) are the releases of Terminator II and Rocky VI. Evan (talk&#124;contribs) 20:19, 27 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Wow, that's a blatant copyright violation. Did they get sued ? StuRat (talk) 14:56, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Not sure, though I don't think Terminator II was released under that title in the US. Rocky VI was (kind of) a parody, so could claim fair use. Evan (talk&#124;contribs) 04:36, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Toronto Blue Jays popularity
Which years did Toronto Blue Jays gain popularity or gain the "best team" in Major League Baseball according to analysts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.92.151.115 (talk) 14:22, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
 * They were the "best team" in MLB in 1992 and 1993 when they won the World Series. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 15:47, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Okay but I want to know from which year to other year did they gain popularity, like from 1985 to 1995 for example? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.92.151.115 (talk) 19:42, 26 May 2014 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure how an analyst would tackle smoething like popularity. Any usual caveats would have added to them the geographical realities. The White Sox have their fans, but they can't claim fandom of their whole city, let alone their whole country. Baseball-Reference has a page showing the Jays' attendance figures, which should give you a start, but you'd need to add context (shortened seasons in 1981 and 1994, ballpark capacity, etc.) Matt Deres (talk) 20:15, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
 * That table also shows average per-game attendance, which is a lot more telling. They experienced a significant bump when they opened SkyDome in 1989, and peaked during their best years, 1991-92-93. Since then, they haven't played as well, and attendance has dropped to the point where they are only doing about as well as they did at Exhibition Stadium. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:28, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
 * In terms of what were their years as a baseball superpower, 1985 to 1993 is the period. The Jays started getting good in 1984 and won their first division title the following year. They remained in contention year after year until their two World Series titles in 1992 and 1993. Then, they dropped off suddenly just as the New York Yankees began their run as kings of the AL East in 1994, and not only have the Blue Jays not played in the postseason since their 1993 World Series win, they have never even come particularly close. It's not that they have been awful, either: they have usually finished around .500 and 3rd or 4th in the division. Nothing to get fans too excited, however, until the past two weeks when, out of nowhere, they have been playing lights out (and the big crowds are starting to return to the Rogers Centre (nee Skydome), not surprisingly). --Xuxl (talk) 12:18, 27 May 2014 (UTC)