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= May 5 =

song from 1974 movie "UFO:Target Earth
Any help on getting information and obtaining recording of "Somewhere Between the Ceiling and the Sky" by the group, Eclipse? Can't find it anywhere. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emmogene1 (talk • contribs) 06:45, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
 * The song is more commonly referred to as "Between the Attic and the Moon" (see IMDb). I listened to the song on a youtube clip showing the film's closing credits. The first lines are "Between the attic and the moon, between the ceiling and the sky" (no "somewhere"), but I'm not sure either line is the song's actual title. I'm having trouble tracking down the band Eclipse. ---Sluzzelin talk  09:29, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Alright, I found the Copyright Office's Catalog of Copyright Entries 1974 Music Jan-June 3D Ser Vol 28 Pt 5 Sec 2 with the entry "Between the attic and the moon, w & m Jules Alexander & Steven Carey. Ferriswheel Music Publishine, May74; EP325844. uuxisning". I don't know who Steven Carey is, but Jules Alexander is probably the musician generally associated with The Association. ---Sluzzelin talk  12:27, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
 * If you google "bijou" + "carry on", you'll find a song recorded by the short-lived band Bijou in 1975. Jules Alexander and Russ Giguere (both former members of The Association) can be heard on it, and it sounds rather similar to "Between the Attic and the Moon". Steven Carey gets mentioned as the song's lyricist/composer, and AllMusic credits him as one of the composers on Just the Right Sound: The Association Anthology (compilation, released in 2002). They feature him as "Pastor Steven Carey", and he appears to be credited with a lot of work in connection with the Brooklyn Tabernacle Choir.
 * I think it's likely that Eclipse was another short-lived formation, perhaps only recording for this one movie, who knows? In any event, I wasn't able to find anything on that very band with that name (other bands with that name, yes, including a Canadian prog rock band formed about one or two years after UFO: Target Earth. But, though they too have a spacey sound, it's definitely not them, and their words were usually sung in French). ---Sluzzelin talk  13:32, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Egyptian movie
I'm looking for a relatively recent movie from Egypt - probably some time after 2009. The protagonist is a terrible naval cadet whose uncle is the commandant of the academy. The cadet manages to command a small boat, fighting off pirates on the high sea and ends up getting with his love interest (his cousin?). Hack (talk) 08:10, 5 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Is it set in the present, or are these Barbary pirates ? StuRat (talk) 13:43, 5 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Set in the present or recent past. Hack (talk) 14:32, 5 May 2014 (UTC)


 * I searched quite extensively, including going through recent films in Arabic outside Egypt, film festivals, IMDb, Wikipedia catscans, ... nothing at all, nothing even remotely close. Do you have anything else, any detail, where did you learn about it, etc. ... Help! :-) ---Sluzzelin talk  21:11, 5 May 2014 (UTC)


 * I saw it on an Egypt Air flight out of Cairo in January 2011. I also found it on the IFE system on a Qatar Airways flight later the same month. I got the impression the movie was set in Alexandria. Hack (talk) 00:41, 6 May 2014 (UTC)


 * I used IMDb Advanced Search to look for movies from Egypt with the keyword "pirate" and came up with one result: Amir El Behar (Prince of Seas). The film is from 2009, and sounds a lot like the film you describe from some of the plot synopses online: --Canley (talk) 06:13, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
 * That's the one. I'm surprised I couldn't find it given it is such a recent film. Hack (talk) 06:58, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

What are available game regions of NES, NGC, and Wii?
Old consoles have regional lockout. For example, there is a total of 4 regions for the PS2:  NTSC-U/C: United States & Canada NTSC-J: Japan, Korea, Hongkong, and maybe Macau as well NTSC-C: China PAL: RoW  Does anyone know about Nintendo consoles' (NES, NGC, Wii)? I am in need for such info to re-organize my game library. Note that the question is about regional lockout, not video format. -- Livy (talk) 13:51, 5 May 2014 (UTC)


 * I know that DS games from Europe work on a North American console, but Wii games do not (and thanks to the video format, I brought my Wii all the way to Europe and couldn't play it at all anyway). Adam Bishop (talk) 01:02, 6 May 2014 (UTC)


 * The NES was the first to pull that move. And Nintendo loved the idea. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:19, 6 May 2014 (UTC)


 * There are plenty of good NES emulators around. Rather than deal with the old box and the sharp controller, you might want to try one of those. Some laptops can use a Bluetooth PS3 controller. Very comfortable. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:24, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Also ethically and legally dubious. Staecker (talk) 11:26, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree legality is unclear. However, most people I know have no ethical problems using an emulator to play NES ROMs for cartridges that they currently own. Here is what Nintendo says . Unsurprisingly, they claim (without reference!) that archival exceptions cannot apply to NES ROMs (?!). Here is the legal explanation of a service for playing NES games . The fact that they still exist implies that Nintendo has been able to mount a legally-binding attack on such a service. SemanticMantis (talk) 17:35, 6 May 2014 (UTC)


 * I did say he might want to try one. Not that he should. My own justification lies in the lack of a perfectly legal alternative. Where exactly is one supposed to buy NES cartridges in today's market, so that the money goes into Nintendo's pocket? I sold a lot of mine around 1991 to pay for Super Nintendo stuff. Even more out of "ethical" reach are the translations of Japanese games (or English games, if you're Japanese). As a kid, I rented and bought them at exorbinant prices, and even then, my store's selection was nothing like I can access today.


 * It's less a victimless crime when one pirates a current product, which the company reasonably expects people to buy. When I do that, I feel a bit dirty in the soul. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:59, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
 * See the Wikipedia article on Abandonware for the related issues. -- Jayron  32  18:00, 7 May 2014 (UTC)


 * As for the "archival exceptions cannot apply" bit, they only say the game's owner must do the archiving himself. Downloading from another owner (even if you own a copy of the same game being copied) is the illegal bit (according to them, anyway). InedibleHulk (talk) 01:08, 7 May 2014 (UTC)


 * (Responding to all your comments at once, to avoid weird indentation threading)Funnily enough, Nintendo's position is not that they could/should make money off or cart resale. In their view, the physical cart instantiates the license, and it is transferable. They would prefer we buy physical carts at second hand stores, rather than download ROMs. But the would most prefer that we buyu wii/U and pay money for Mario a second or third time...(The fansub stuff is even weirder. This applies to Anime as well as games. In my opinion, they constitute a value added derivative work, and are therefore totally legally clear ;) I came to the same understanding as you on the last comment. Doesn't make a lot of sense, does it? It's archival if I rip it off the cart I own, but it's not archival if someone else does the ripping? That's tantamount to claiming that each specific cartridge is a unique Creative_work, distinct from all other cartridges. Which is so absurd as to not deserve response! (far off-topic here, but perhaps others will be interested in the concepts and links) SemanticMantis (talk) 14:29, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I can sort of see where they're coming from on the backup thing. If I spend $50 on The Adventures of Bayou Billy, making a backup is something like insurance for when I inevitably ragequit and toss it out the window. But if the crocodiles get to me first, and I download the ROM from somewhere, it stops being totally about backup. Even if I don't pay for the ROM, I'll probably see some ads and give somebody a 1-Up to page views, downloads or pirate cred. That's its own sort of currency, and a price the uploader/host has no legal right to seek.


 * They want it two-for-one, at most. When a guy uploads his copy, that's already three-for-one, before anyone even downloads it, making each copy worth $16.67 (in a sense). Easy to see how that quickly becomes about $0 per copy, and how that poses a greater threat to the cartridge than the Konami code's duped lives present to truly bad guys.


 * Given that nobody is paying $50 to save Annabelle in 2014, the only moral thing to do is e-mail the developers a "Thank You". Thank you for the Wikilinks. InedibleHulk (talk) 07:27, 8 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Nintendo's argument is pretty disingenuous. Copying an NES ROM image is significantly more challenging than copying a floppy disk: you need a device like the CopyNES, and you also need to be good enough with a hex editor to add the iNES header and deal with any interleaving.  It's not advanced hacking, but it's also not something an average gamer should be expected to know how to do. OldTimeNESter (talk) 20:23, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
 * That's another thing. When I play Mario on the box, I have to be "Mario" or "Luigi". Good names, but not mine. With a CHR editor, I can be me. Not quite good enough to make it look like me, but I can change the name. That, and a ton of other options, make them unequivalent products. Legally, it's still a copyright issue, but we're on good moral ground here.


 * And think of how much easier it is delete a shitty Atari game than bury all that plastic. Captain Planet would be proud of us. Would have never beaten that game without save states, or played it again if it wasn't free. It wasn't so bad. Thanks, Chris Gray Enterprises. Sorry you apparently didn't survive in any notable way. Should have let us cheat, like Galoob. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:11, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Dead Can Dance Album and or Single
Some time in the 90's Peadar Gaffney or Gaffo,was credited on a recording by Brendan Perry ,Can you Find It'.Ta77.193.225.75 (talk) 16:00, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
 * There is no mention of this person on Discogs, a very reliable resource for information of this kind. I'm a big Dead Can Dance fan and I've never heard of him.  I think you must have wrong information. --Viennese Waltz 19:42, 5 May 2014 (UTC)


 * There are some sites quoting "Thanks to Geoffrey Perrin, Fred Müller, Noel Long, Klaus Vormehr, Peader Gaffney and Andrew Hutton without whom..." (always with ellipsis, note the spelling of "Peader", and of course thanking isn't the same thing as crediting) ---Sluzzelin  talk  21:00, 5 May 2014 (UTC)


 * On the Irish Rock website it mentions here that Fiacre and Peader Gaffney ran a tour management business, so I guess it is in this context that the name is mentioned. --TammyMoet (talk) 09:46, 6 May 2014 (UTC)