Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Entertainment/2014 November 26

= November 26 =

Song with "Teeka teeka teeka" or "take a, take a, take a" and "comma comma comma comma"
(moved from Humanities Desk) On an oldies channel I have heard a male vocal song, probably from the late 1950's or 1960's, in a style like that of Frankie Vallie and the Four Seasons (but I doubt it is them) which has lyrics I can't make out, but includes what sounds like "teeka teeka teeka teeka" and "comma comma comma comma" in a bit of a falsetto. It might have had the word "diamonds." It definitely is not "Karma chameleon" with "Karma Karma Karma Karma Karma Chameleon" or "Breaking up is hard to do" with "Comma, comma, down dooby doo down down." Any idea what song it might have been? Edison (talk) 15:58, 26 November 2014 (UTC)


 * "Mona" from The Beach Boys Love You? (Starts out with "Come-a come-a come-a come...", "take a take a take a" happens a bit later in the song, after "gimme gimme gimme", "aren'tcha aren'tcha", "start a start a start a" etc) ---Sluzzelin talk  17:40, 26 November 2014 (UTC)


 * There's no "comma comma comma comma", but the first thing that "teeka teeka teeka" suggested to me is Good Timin' (Jimmy Jones song). Deor (talk) 17:45, 26 November 2014 (UTC)


 * YES! It is the Jimmy Jones "Good timin." It is amazing there is a song (the Beach Boys' one the Sluzzelin found") that has the words my brain heard, while the Jones song had "ticka ticka ticka" and had "tocka tocka tocka" which with his accent and distorted playback sounded like it might be or was misremembered as "comma comma comma," and "timin'" sounded like "diamond." Many thanks to all. Less than 2 hour to resolve a puzzle with scant clues. Edison (talk) 17:58, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
 * The WOOF (RDD)—Wikipedian Order of Old Farts, Reference Desk Division—strikes again. Sometimes there's no substitute for having actually lived through the 50s and 60s. Deor (talk) 18:08, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
 * You can live a hundred more years, you'll still never truly know the magic in cereals of the '80s. Or even Macho Madness, to an extent. Brian Wilson himself probably didn't imagine the colours we'd grow up thinking are real. Not knocking starting your day the Kellogg's way, just saying. Every era's special. Your generation just happens to be useful. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:52, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

TV series which are never made
Some time ago, I wrote an article about a TV series, and mentioned that a TV channel from another country got the license for a local remake, which was in production. However, that info is from a year ago, and searching across internet it seems that the remake has never been made: all results are either the outdated reports that I noticed a year ago, or false positives. I doubt that I would ever found a source reporting that for whatever reason the TV channel gave up the production, as that's something that would likely happen silently and unnoticed outside of the channel.

What should I do with the article now? Should I left it as is, reporting that the foreign channel got the license for a remake, and leave it that way? Should I say that the program has not been made as of November 2014, even if I can't reference that info anywhere? Should I remove the whole thing, and limit the article to the international remakes which have actually been made and aired? Cambalachero (talk) 18:42, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Do you have enough source text about the subject to write a compelling, complete, and informative stand-alone article? If you do, do that.  If you don't have enough source text, then don't create the article.  It's that simple.  -- Jayron  32  20:35, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the misunderstanding. I'm not talking about the article of the remade series, but about the article of the original series, which has a section about reception, international airing and remakes. Cambalachero (talk) 21:20, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
 * If you want to add information to an existing article, the question you need to ask of yourself is just as simple: Do you have an unimpeachable, top-quality reliable source text to confirm the information you wish to add? If you do, add it.  If you do not have source text, do not add the information to the article.  -- Jayron  32  02:34, 27 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Since you're keeping the article a secret, just make sure the tense of the verbs is updated, if that needs doing. μηδείς (talk) 03:59, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

Mockingjay - why a jay?
While it is not hard to research the background story how the fictional Mockingjays came into existence, I was not able to find out why Suzanne Collins, of all birds, chose a jay as the iconic mascot of The Hunger Games universe. Might it have anything to do with the "archaic" meaning "a dull or ognorant person" (Wiktionary)? Did the author reveal, or are there accepted hypotheses, about her motivations and the connotations intended? --KnightMove (talk) 21:04, 26 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Mockingbirds belong to the family mimidae of the songbirds, while jays belong to the corvidae. Given the word is a neologism it is probably trademarkable. μηδείς (talk) 00:48, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Maybe also some relationship with popinjay? Alansplodge (talk) 11:07, 28 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Though I don't know of any comments by Collins on the subject, or "official" fan theories, I'm guessing it has to do with Jay: "The word "jay" has an archaic meaning in American slang meaning a person who chatters impertinently." In fact blue jay has a citation which mentions "The bird's name derives from its noisy, garrulous nature." (I'm assuming that's referring to the "jay" part of the name, as opposed to the "blue" part.) Collins did grow up in the eastern US, a place where the blue jay is somewhat common. The personality of a blue jay matches well with the annoying, petulant, tattletale like behavior which Collins presumably wanted to project for the jabberjay. -- 160.129.138.186 (talk) 18:03, 28 November 2014 (UTC)