Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Entertainment/2015 August 2

= August 2 =

Identify a cartoon
A question which has been puzzling me for the past 30 years - what's the origin of the cover art for Bauhaus' Lagartija Nick? I'm fairly sure the artist is George Cruikshank, but I've not been able to track down the original. Tevildo (talk) 00:59, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

backmasking/phoenetic reversal
my name is james, i created the band rocktite and white trashmouth which are both on reverbnation. between my songs and my singers songs we have comprised the quintessenial backmasked songs that are known today because they are meant to be played backwards or reversed if you will. these songs were recorded in forward direction with specific lyrics in the english dialect fully understandable but when you play the song backwards you get a completely different song that is fully understandable in the english dialect that tells a different story. although this is no easy task it can be done in more than two to three small paragraphs plus chorus phrases. the best example i can give is leading the inside/you come and see by rocktite at reverbnation.com which puts to shame any and all examples that are given from bands using them to phoenetic reversal programs or colleges. i am only talking about auditory messages not visual or blogging a stupid message at the end of a song, our songs can be understood in english in both directions from the front to back or back to front if you will for the most part and are loved by many people because its new and different. both rocktite and white trashmouth have six full songs each with these qualities with many more unreleased which makes us the uncontested champions of this style and makes childsplay of anything before or after it. we were shocked to hear about judas priest going to court for those two misguided boys shooting themselves in the head playing russian roulette when judas priest had never seen or heard of them. nor did any of their songs promote anything like that, the reason this is so important is because we can't have our nations leaders or their wives or anyone else leading these witch hunts against innocent musicians and lets not forget our own faded history in the usa when those little girls in boston were hung in the 1600's for eating somones strawberries. lets just imagine for one moment that the politicaly incorrect presidential candidates wife and her friends got their way and judas priest which are one of the greatest metal bands alive were convicted of murder or manslauter, we all know they had to pay alot of money for nothing and what about those frightend little girls in boston way back when, i wonder what kind of trial they got or how much money thet had to pay a lawyer. the point is people, these kinds of mistakes cannot go unpunished especially now in the computer generation because if you do you are literally saying that it was more important that the old bitch eat her strawberries than the lives of two nine year old girls. witch hunts can't exist now or ever nor can we afford to incarcerate people for life or kill them because they stole some food. it is time to wake, be aware of these evils and nontruths that surround us, who was the real villain, the rock group accused of something they knew nothing about or the presidential candidates wife putting them on trial for murdering kids they never even saw. i'll let you be the judge. if her which hunt was successful there were stacks of rock bands waiting to go to trial like styx another hard hitter and the band who wrote babe, yech. anyway like i said, we have to be tough and nip this corruption in the bud. rocktite makes it so clear with indiscriminate in your face backmasking that is meant to be played backwards though if you want to play it forwards you could understand it but would probably be considered a party pooper. send any inqueries to rocktite9@gmail.com or reverbnation/rocktite in this time of misguided political leaders and religious cankersores that never mend i make this stand for all people under a prodestant christian cross assuming we are somewhat godlike and more good than bad. all i can tell is what i have seen ,nothing less nothing more, sometimes in disbelief, let us be strong, never weak, never looking back, never looking on i'll find my home along the tracks that seemed so far away


 * That's not a question, professor. Adam Bishop (talk) 08:41, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Disney vs the other major film studios
The impression I get is that Disney actually produce most of their films. Is that correct? If so, are Disney unique amongst the major film studios in this model?--Leon (talk) 17:43, 2 August 2015 (UTC)


 * The correct answer may depend on exactly what you mean by 'produce', which has its own meaning in the film industry, i.e. Film producer. The WP page List of Walt Disney Pictures films particularly in the column/s of co-production partners would suggest on a quick perusal, that many of their films are now created as partnerships with one or several companies, and considering the cost of movies now possibly involves budgets of hundreds of millions of dollars, that seems very likely, but an exact answer may be difficult. Some of those other companies may actually be parts of, or subsidiaries of, or owned by Disney, like Lucasfilm now is. 220  of  Borg 19:13, 2 August 2015 (UTC)


 * I suppose what I mean by "produce" is "shoot". Perhaps, I also mean to ask, is Disney more vertically integrated than the other film studios, and if so, in what ways?--Leon (talk) 20:22, 2 August 2015 (UTC)


 * In film, there is a difference between a production company and a film distributor. Are you asking if other major studios are as vertically integrated as Disney; being both the production company and distributor of all of their films (that is, Disney neither distributes its films through another distributor, nor does it distribute films produced by others, it's a closed system for them).  Is that what you are asking?  -- Jayron 32 01:01, 3 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Pretty much, presuming Disney does operate that way.--Leon (talk) 11:27, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

When they use a famous song in a TV show
Am I correct to assume this? When they use a famous song in a TV show, the producers (or whoever) of that TV show have to pay some royalty to the owner of that song? Correct? And they also have to list some "credit" for the song at the end credits of the show? And, if they do not do this (i.e., pay money and list credit), they are in violation of the law? Is my understanding correct? (I am referring to the USA.)  Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 20:35, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
 * In general, there are royalties involved. Read about the issues surrounding home video releases of WKRP in Cincinnati. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:40, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Depending on the scope of the production, a producer, or an associate producer, has to obtain rights for every piece of copyrighted material used in the production. Usually there is a fee involved, and the details about how the copyrighted material is to be used. This is only if the copyrighted material is actually used. Sometimes, for various reasons (friendship, ideology, exposure), the fee is waived. Whether or not a credit is required would also be part of the rights agreement. Usually that would be the case, but not always.  And yes, that is the law, as long as the material is copyrighted.  Onel 5969  TT me 23:01, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
 * With regards to songs, it is rare (and cumbersome) for a songwriter to handle the licensing and collection of fees for their own works. Instead, intellectual property rights are managed usually by a Performance rights organisation.  A songwriter (or group of song writers) will create a publishing company to hold the license on their songs, and then contract with a performance rights organization to manage the collection of royalties for their songs.  Most songwriters have small publishing companies just for the songs they write (for example Northern Songs published songs by The Beatles).  These publishing companies then contract with a PRO to manage the collection of royalties on licensed songs.  The three largest and best known are BMI, ASCAP, and SESAC.  -- Jayron 32 01:07, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. So, this is the reason I ask. I have watched every episode of The King of Queens. They often have a very popular song playing in their episodes. The songs are not obscure or even generic tunes. For example, some songs used are listed below.

Episode 05 - Louis Prima - "Just A Gigolo"

Episode 05 - Louis Prima - "Just A Gigolo, I Ain't Got Nobody"

Episode 06 - En Vogue & Salt N Pepa - "Whatta Man"

Episode 06 - Louie Armstrong - "Wonderful World"

Episode 09 - A Taste of Honey - "Boogie Oogie Oogie"

Episode 11 - Alvin and The Chipmunks - "The Christmas Song"

Episode 24 - Aretha Franklin - "Respect"

Episode 30 - Alan Sherman - "Hello Muddah, Hello Fadduh"

Episode 30 - Herb Albert - "Tijuana Taxi"

Episode 32 - Marvin Gaye - "Let's Get It On"

Episode 34 - Human League - "Don't You Want Me"

Episode 34 - Human League - "Don't You Want Me" (Extended Remix)

Episode 37 - Gloria Gaynor - "I Will Survive"

Episode 39 - Styx - "Domo Arigato, Mr. Roboto"

Episode 42 - C & C Music Factory - "Gonna Make You Sweat"

Episode 45 - Steppenwolf - "Born to be Wild"

Episode 50 - Corey Hart - "Sunglasses At Night"

Episode 50 - John Sebastian - "Welcome Back"

Episode 50 - Steppenwolf - "Magic Carpet Ride"

Episode 53 - Rick James - "Superfreak"

Episode 57 - Public Enemy - "Fight the Power"

Episode 84 - Andy Gibb - "I Just Want to be Your Everything"

Episode 90 - Bee Gees - "Night Fever"

Episode 96 - Berlin - "Take My Breath Away"

Episode 96 - Spandau Ballet - "True"

Episode 98 - Eddie Money - "Shakin"

Episode 98 - Eddie Money - "Two Tickets to Paradise"

Episode 106 - Carl Orff - "O Fortuna"

Episode 125 - George Michael - "Freedom"

Episode 125 - Phil Collins - "Separate Lives" (Live)

Now, at the end of each episode, there is never any credit (as I am used to seeing on other TV shows or movies). So, what could be the explanation? I can't imagine that a very popular and high-visibility/high-profile show like that would be able to get away with their legal obligations. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 02:14, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Even if there isn't a written credit, doesn't mean that no one got paid... -- Jayron 32 02:54, 3 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Yes, obviously. But all of the TV shows and movies I have seen list a credit for the song, especially when it is a "famous" song.  Perhaps one or two singers along the way might not insist on a credit (and perhaps take more pay), but I find it hard to believe that all of the above singers fall into that category (not wanting or demanding a credit).  And, if it is a money situation, I am sure that the credit "costs" the producer nothing.  So, there is little chance that he would bargain a higher rate of pay for the right to omit credit.  The situation just seems odd.  That's why I brought it here.  Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 04:03, 3 August 2015 (UTC)


 * I'm fairly confident that we won't be able to get anything more than "this is what can be done..." here. The contracts that are used for these types of things are often kept secret, along with actors salaries, etc.  (for a related item see Sony hack where the salaries of various stars were discovered by hackers)  So, unless we have someone who volunteers who also works for the production companies involved, I doubt we'll get more than what we've already said.  Pay is normal, credits are often given, and favors are occasionally given.  Dismas |(talk) 04:16, 3 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Credits are not necessary. As I stated above, that's all part of the rights agreement.  Especially on TV shows, where there is a very limited amount of time for credits.  Case in point is the show Friends, whose theme song became a top ten hit.  No credit.  Onel 5969  TT me 04:22, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, all. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 03:51, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Title of this movie
Does anyone know the title of this movie? It looked like it was made in 1970s or 1980s. A guy clad in black leather was trying to run away from a gang of four men, all clad in black leather too, who eventually captured the guy in what looked like an empty factory or an abandoned warehouse, and proceeded to rape him. --BorgQueen (talk) 22:14, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Seems like A Clockwork Orange. Omidinist (talk) 03:26, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Except the scene described does not occur in the film. Alex and his droogs are dressed in white. The only thing that comes close is when they interrupt Billy Boy and his gang in the middle of raping a young lady in an abandoned theatre and a huge fight ensues. I suspect that it is another film but I am drawing a blank at the moment. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 03:31, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Although this is still ringing a faint bell I haven't come up with a title. I know it will be a needle/haystack situation but you might do a little searching though Category:Films about rape and see what you can find. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 05:11, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Btw, I've found its screenshots. The trailer is dubbed, but the original language is English. The title is still a mystery though. --BorgQueen (talk) 06:36, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Note that the above link is NOT SAFE FOR WORK. Alansplodge (talk) 16:40, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Looks more like a porn film than a mainstream picture. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 17:42, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The film I was trying to remember is Spetters. It has been over 30 years since I saw it so I don't know if the screenshots you found are from this film or not. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 17:50, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
 * A google search lead me to the clip from Spetters. It matches the screenshots that you found. The scene seems to take place in an abandoned subway system. A very young Rutgar Hauer is in this film though not in the scene that you remembered . MarnetteD&#124;Talk 18:12, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, you've nailed it, MarnetteD. Thanks. And no, Baseball Bugs, it's not a porn film! :-D --BorgQueen (talk) 21:44, 3 August 2015 (UTC)