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= December 20 =

Black Horse Mongolian Music
Hello! I have this beautiful piece of Mongolian music by a band named "Black Horse," but I cannot seem to find where to purchase it nor even more information on the band. When I tried my own research (using Disclogs and related), I hit dead ends after the "recording company" just turned out to be a Dutch technology company, as far as I could tell. Could anyone at least find where the rest of the album is either played or sold?

Here's a link to a YouTube channel with a sample of their music an their album cover, if it helps: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iwxorB9ZAkU

Thanks in advance!

Aqua817 (talk) 04:24, 20 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Beautiful music! Like you, I had difficulty finding the album for sale. The Mongolia Society does appear to offer the CD for $20 on their products page; there's no "buy" button or shopping cart system on their website but if you contact them through their contact page perhaps they can tell you how you can purchase the CD from them.  On the other hand, if streaming the tracks is good enough for you, you're in luck: all the tracks of the album have been uploaded at one time or another between YouTube and Tudou (a Chinese version of YouTube).  Here are links to each of the tracks.


 * Chingges Khaanii Magtaal (With Huumii) (YouTube)
 * Sunjidmaa (YouTube)
 * Uulgan Shariin Domog (Tudou)
 * Huumiin Dorvon Torol (Tudou)
 * Ayalguu (YouTube)
 * Danaabal (YouTube)
 * Takhiin Magtaal (Tudou)
 * Abe Maria (Bakh Guno) (Tudou)
 * Tsonkhon Deer Suusan Yalaa (Tudou)
 * Kherlengiin Barya (YouTube)
 * Serebger Khadnii Zereglee (With Huumii) (Tudou)
 * Builgan Shariin Yabdal (YouTube)
 * Khun (Sen-Sans) (Tudou)
 * Dorbon Oiradiin Uria (Tudou)
 * Zurgaan Tumen Mongolia (With Huumii) (YouTube)


 * Hope this helps. AtticusX (talk) 03:58, 22 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Thank you, it very much did! I had just heard a few of their songs and couldn't stand not to hear the rest. 2602:306:C4C7:F50:7C3D:3823:D3CB:241C (talk) 16:01, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Explain how this Swiss Family Robinson scene works
In the 1960 film Swiss Family Robinson, about halfway through the film, there is a scene where there was a struggle between "Bertie" and Ernst/Fritz in an attempt to disarm "Bertie." During the course of this struggle, Ernst managed to pull off "Bertie"'s hat and immediately concluded that "Bertie" was female (her real name was Roberta). I don't seem to fully understand this scene - since Roberta's hair was already cut short, and since it was uncommon for females to have such short hair during the early 19th century (the time period in which the original SFR story was set), how on earth did Ernst realize her true gender without taking off her other clothing? 96.246.144.195 (talk) 09:12, 20 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Because it was a family film. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 09:59, 20 December 2015 (UTC)


 * It could have made ear studs visible, which in that time would have been extremely rare on an American (or Swiss) boy of that age. StuRat (talk) 18:00, 20 December 2015 (UTC)


 * You're guessing again, and wrongly. Looking at the picture, what strikes me is that the style of short hair seems more like something a girl would have.  Perhaps Ernst already felt instinctively that she might be a girl and when he saw her whole head the instinct was stronger. --76.69.45.64 (talk) 23:59, 20 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Watch your mouth, "newbie". ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 10:54, 21 December 2015 (UTC)


 * "strikes me" is by definition guessing. As for that pic, it's so low res I couldn't tell if there was a small stud in the one visible ear, unless it happened to catch the light.  StuRat (talk) 21:05, 21 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Anyhow, while not directly addressing your question, TV Tropes says "...the actress playing the crossdressing character rarely does a convincing job... requiring suspension of disbelief on the part of the audience that the other characters encountering her really believe she is a man/boy. On the other hand, quite a few women really did get away with this surprisingly easily in the past..."  Alansplodge (talk) 19:02, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

Star Wars: The Force Awakens
I've only today seen the newest Star Wars movie, Star Wars: The Force Awakens. Am I allowed to post questions here revealing details about the movie's plot? J I P &#124; Talk 19:39, 20 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Yes - see WP:SW - but please be aware that questions such as "Why does Character X not do Very Obvious Thing?" aren't answerable, other than with "It's fiction." Tevildo (talk) 19:47, 20 December 2015 (UTC)


 * OK, here goes. Does anyone know how much Mark Hamill, playing Luke Skywalker, was paid to only appear for the last few minutes of the movie to do nothing but just stand there? And if Han Solo, played by Harrison Ford, did really die (I mean Solo, not Ford), was this a pre-made decision on Ford's part? I mean, this means he won't be appearing in episodes VIII and IX, depriving him of further fame and income. J I P  &#124; Talk 19:52, 20 December 2015 (UTC)


 * There are ways. We thought Spock was dead after Star Trek II, but he was resurrected in Star Trek III. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:46, 20 December 2015 (UTC)


 * The producers keep future plots secret, and plans can change, for example due to fan reactions, availability of actors, new ideas from writers, directors, etc. Dead fictional characters are often less dead than expected (see comic book death). They can also appear in flashbacks, dreams, visions, ghosts, clones, etc. There is fan speculation that Kylo Ren will resurrect Darth Vader. Then again, there is also fan speculation that Jar Jar Binks will turn out to be a Sith mastermind who controlled the old emperor. We will just have to wait and see. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:49, 20 December 2015 (UTC)


 * For the record, Ford has stated in interviews that he thought that Han Solo should have been killed back in Return of the Jedi, and that he has expressed feelings that imply that he is not really particularly fond of the character. Thus I highly doubt he cares about "further fame and income" if he appears as Han Solo again in VIII and IX. Zzyzx11 (talk) 07:36, 21 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the replies. What still annoys me is that Luke Skywalker was a very central character, pretty much the whole reason the episode happened in the first place, and all that Mark Hamill actually did was just stand there, only moving to take his hood off. With my luck, he was paid for these few minutes far more than I'll earn in the next decade. Does anyone have more concrete information about this? J I P  &#124; Talk 22:22, 21 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Apparently according to this about 650,000$$$ 199.19.248.55 (talk) 02:04, 22 December 2015 (UTC)


 * So that does mean he was paid more for a couple of minutes than I'll earn during the next decade. But I guess he doesn't have a full-time job earning over 600 thousand dollars in a few minutes. J I P  &#124; Talk 08:26, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I assume he had a contract which required a lot of promotional work and other things. I'm sure Harrison Ford got far more per total hour of work. I have also seen meaningless calculations about the hourly earnings for boxers, like they never train or anything. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:36, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, I calculated that if Hamill had a full-time job paying 600 thousand dollars for each few minutes, he'd make several billion per year. But I guess it's not exactly like that. To earn the 600 thousand dollars just to stand there for a few minutes, Hamill probably had to train for months, and was paid much less for that. And also I guess that when he's not contracted to any film, Hamill earns even much less than that. J I P  &#124; Talk 20:46, 22 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Note that Harrison Ford is 73, and there can be many years between Star Wars sequels, so when the next one rolls out, he may be dead or too infirm to act in it, even if he wants to. StuRat (talk) 05:56, 22 December 2015 (UTC)