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Statistical first downs
Context is American football. Let's say that you're rushing the ball, go past the distance needed for a first down, and keep going until you score a touchdown. Statistically speaking, have you gained a first down, or is a first down only recorded on a play that doesn't result in a score? I thought of this while watching the 2014 Fiesta Bowl (December), in which the first touchdown was scored on a 56-yard run; would the rusher be credited with gaining a first down? Nyttend (talk) 21:40, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
 * According to this,In the NFL it is, and in college and high school it isn't. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 03:00, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I would not rely on the user-submitted Yahoo Answers. Both the NFL and NCAA College football would credit that 56-yard touchdown run as a first down. They however differ if the line to gain is the goal line (i.e. X down and Goal): the NFL does ("A first down shall be credited on each touchdown resulting from rushes or forward passes, regardless of the distance covered") but College football apparently does not ("A first down shall be recorded ... when a touchdown is scored from scrimmage (rushing or passing) within a series of downs starting 10 yards or more from the goal line"). Zzyzx11 (talk) 03:08, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes. So in the OP's specific scenario, as soon as the ballcarrier crosses the first-down line, it's a first down, but there is no "additional" first down for having gone on and scored. Right? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 03:14, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Not quite right; there is no concept of "additional" first downs. The NFL credits any rushed (carried) touchdown as a first down, but college football requires that rush to have been at least ten yards.  The college football rationale is probably that rushing seven yards for a touchdown is easier than rushing ten yards for a normal first down.  The NFL rationale is probably that the defense against a touchdown will be more robust and success is deserving.  (The statistical credit that compensates for any "additional" first downs achieved is yards rushed.  I hope I've understood your remark properly, Bugs.) [User:Your Username|Hayttom]] 05:55, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Searching for line from a cartoon
So this has been driving me crazy: there's a line from a cartoon (we think it's from Hey Arnold) where a bouncer says to a main character "I know you ain't getting in here with those shoes." If we could find the show and the episode that would make my head explode : ) 67.247.91.37 (talk) 05:57, 1 January 2015 (UTC)


 * There is such a scene in Return of the King (The Boondocks). BOUNCER: "I tell you right now, you ain’t getting in with those shoes." HUEY: "What’s wrong with my shoes?". ---Sluzzelin talk  11:12, 1 January 2015 (UTC)