Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Entertainment/2015 June 10

= June 10 =

Guardians and Legion
Could you say that Guardians of the Galaxy is the Marvel version of DC's Legion of Super-Heroes? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:801:210:6F19:CD60:ED32:8DB3:2CAF (talk) 06:41, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I'd say most things if you paid me enough........ I am not aware of any sources that catagorically state that one was meant to be an intended rival to the other, but without asking the creators themselves then any opinion on this matter is exactly that - opinion... Which is not allowed on here... gaz hiley  15:51, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I have not heard that. Our article says that a much less well-publicized Marvel team called the Shi'ar Imperial Guard is in fact based on LSH and has a list of the analogs, so maybe that's what you're thinking of? Along those same lines, Marvel's Squadron Supreme is definitely a pastiche of DC's Justice League. They were created as a result of a failed intercompany cross-over that was being planned; Marvel's writer (Roy Thomas) didn't want to abandon the story, so he made up a few analogs of DC's main heroes and things spiraled out from there. Mark Gruenwald continued the tradition with his own mini-series. Having the Imperial Guard act as stand-ins for the LSH is a continuation of that tongue-in-cheek "borrowing" of characters. Matt Deres (talk) 16:39, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Jazz music
I like quite a few types of music, but I hate jazz. People often liken jazz to classical, but they are COMPLETELY different, classical is based on harmonic stability where as jazz purposely avoids this. Honestly jazz sounds close to atonal music. Why do so many people like it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Money is tight (talk • contribs) 11:48, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
 * You're wrong, jazz is great (see, it's all opinions, no question here). 131.251.254.154 (talk) 11:57, 10 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Your question can only be answered by opinion - but we're supposed to give references. Here's one opinion: "When I say there’s no better music than jazz, the only ones with a good argument against it are those who listen to classical music." http://jazzinsidemagazine.com/Members/wsostre/why-do-i-like-jazz 196.213.35.146 (talk) 13:15, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
 * The author of the (quite long) article - Wilbert Sostre - has impressive credentials - just google him. 196.213.35.146 (talk) 13:36, 10 June 2015 (UTC)


 * If the OP liked jazz he will have realised that the great jazz composers had classical training. They borrow(ed) heavily from classical techniques. Jazz numbers are of shorter duration so they compress the mood changes, etc., which the OP  takes to be ignoring harmonic stability.  Intrakey asymmetry and distance is still present but foreshortened.--Aspro (talk) 22:52, 10 June 2015 (UTC)


 * OP, when you grow up a little more and become an adult, you'll discover that other people like some of the things you like but dislike some other things, and vice-versa. Seeking expert advice on why people like what they like, particularly when it's something you dislike, sort of puts you at the centre of the human universe, against whom all other humans are to be compared. I hope it won't come as too much of a shock to discover that precisely zero other people seem to have this same world-view.  That said, it's good to be curious about stuff, but you need to be asking the right questions.  What those questions are ... well, you have to become an adult first before they'll give you the key to the Magic Box of Right Questions.  It may be worth waiting for, but I'm making no promises. --   Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  22:57, 10 June 2015 (UTC)


 * I dislike Country-Western in general, but that doesn't mean there's anything wrong with it. This discussion reminds me of the line from "Satisfaction": "...he can't be a man 'cause he doesn't smoke the same cigarettes as me." ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:55, 10 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Sorry for if I seemed offensive, I guess a better question would be: why do people like atonal music? I definitely understand different tastes but some things (like weird fetishes) are incomprehensible.Money is tight (talk) 02:55, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Not offensive at all. But one could equally ask why you don't like atonal music.  People often ask why homosexuals or left-handers or geniuses are made that way, but few enquire why heterosexuals or right-handers or ordinary people are made the way they're made.  I once heard Steve Reich talking about what makes music "great", and he cautioned his audience to never make the mistake of equating "music that I like" with "great music", and "music that I dislike" with "crap music".  The two things (whether anyone likes a piece, and whether it's great) have nothing to do with each other.  I love Beethoven, but there's no way I'd ever subject myself to 12 hours of his music non-stop.  I love chocolate, but a little (well, perhaps more than a little) goes a long way.  What I or anyone likes at any given moment is a complex thing.  I don't particularly care for atonal music, but there are times when I'm more than happy to listen to or play it, and experience it, and explore and maybe find out for myself a glimpse of what the composer was getting at.  That stands me a much better chance of understanding the music than asking random strangers on the internet why people like x, y or z.  I wouldn't give death metal the same chance, though.  That's where discrimination comes in.  --   Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  03:37, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
 * A few weeks ago, the evening news had a report on an event called "Essentially Ellington". This one band performed a rendition of "The Tattooed Bride", which is supposed to be a difficult piece to perform. The commentator said that the Duke took just a little bit of a few notes, and constructed this work from it. The point being that that's how classical composers created their works also. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 05:20, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
 * A simpler (and shorter) example is "Afrikaan Beat" by Bert Kaempfert. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 05:47, 11 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Note that jazz encompasses quite a range of styles. Some is the atonal style you describe, but many other types are more traditional, like the jazz arrangements of "When the Saints Go Marching In". StuRat (talk) 04:01, 11 June 2015 (UTC)


 * (Agree with StuRat, see for example jazz harmony and further links from there. In fact most styles of jazz use concepts of tonality). Money is tight, could you perhaps give us a couple of examples of music (whether jazz or not) you are thinking of? Atonality is an ambiguous term, often used vaguely, so concrete instances of what you are referring to would help here. ---Sluzzelin talk  07:44, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I was wondering about "atonal"; the jazz that I play and listen to is quite non-atonal. Other a few be-bop pieces, I can't really see where atonality enters into it all, especially since jazz depends on improvisation, and improvisation without a tonal center is a sport best enjoyed by the practitioner rather than the listener. --jpgordon:==( o ) 19:14, 13 June 2015 (UTC)


 * In bebop too, a lot of what constitutes its harmonic flavor and may sound "wrong" (or atonal) to unacquainted ears at first hearing is centered on tonality (things like extended chords, altered chords, chord substitution, ...). In post 1940s jazz (though you can find precursors even before bebop) there is also the practice of playing "outside", which can take the form of atonality, yet the reference to tonality is of course always there, it's what creates the tension (and creative liberation), and the player will invariably return to inside the music's tone structure, sooner or later. In freer forms of jazz you are more likely to find atonality (or free-tonality in a more literal sense) Some arguable examples: Cecil Taylor, (some, but by no means all of) Coltrane's very late music, but also earlier more formal explorations such as Jimmy Giuffre's in the early 1960s, explicitly using atonality in the sense it is used in "classical" music. Still, a lot of so-called free jazz refers to tonality.
 * At first I even thought the question might be about modulating and creating sounds you would normally not hear in a symphony orchestra or military brass band (bent notes, growls, squawks, multiphonics, ghost notes, ...) a tradition that goes back to the dawn of jazz. In a sense these "noises" could be considered atonal too, though our hearing manages to assign them a place within a tonal structure).
 * Nuff ramblin', still waiting for examples. ---Sluzzelin talk  20:49, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Radio-Canada cinema schedule and lineup
This year, Radio-Canada is doing like a summer movie lineup. Is there a list of movies somewhere on their website? So far, I have heard that they are going to broadcast 1987. Please and thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.189.94.13 (talk) 15:09, 10 June 2015 (UTC)