Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Entertainment/2015 March 17

= March 17 =

Who sequences album track listings?
I see the album tracks are ordered in a certain, defined ways, like keeping in flow of music, feel, or in cases of concept albums, follow their plot. The best songs of the album, hence released as singles, tend to be towards the top of the track listing. I wonder who put album tracks in fancy order? It is a producer, A&R, or even a manager? I did a little research and didn't see much mention about track ordering, except I find the benefits of it but didn't really find who's responsible for sequencing it. Planet Star  01:40, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
 * That's probably because it isn't a single person in every case. Depending on who has creative control over the project: it could be the artist, the producer, or someone in marketing.  I don't know that there is any set procedure or usual process.  -- Jayron 32 02:28, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
 * The sequencing itself is done by the mastering engineer. The actual decision about what the sequence should be can come from a wide range of places - the artist, the producer, the record company. I've seen some of the most insane arguments of all time take place over song sequencing. Manning (talk) 03:22, 17 March 2015 (UTC)


 * In the days before CD's, the rotational speed of the record influenced song placements. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 09:20, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Why? 196.213.35.146 (talk) 09:33, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
 * It has to do with frequency response. The linear speed of the stylus on the vinyl record is significantly faster at the outer edge than near the center. I couldn't locate the source within Wikipedia, but this is one item I found, which gets into various techno-talk, but here is the relevant statement: "As the record needle travels toward the center of the disk it becomes more difficult to reproduce high frequencies. The frequency response of a vinyl disk is drastically different at the outer section than the inner section." A consequence of that limitation was an effort to stack the list so that the items needing greater frequency response would be more toward the outer edge. This was sometime noticeable in soundtrack albums, where the tracks did not necessarily match their sequence within the film. Another factor, of course, was in trying to balance the total running time between the two sides. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 12:49, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'm going to dig out my copy of The_Wall (vinyl and CD) and give it a listen with a critical ear. 196.213.35.146 (talk) 14:11, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Jeff Erna and Sully Erna: Related?
Ok, fellow ref deskers: A cursory google search has turned up bubkis. While listening to The Clash's Live at Shea Stadium, I've spent the past half hour spiraling through Wikipedia's coverage of punk music, and came across a short article about Jeff Erna, who was apparently the original drummer of Dropkick Murphys. Now, Erna is a pretty unusual last name, the only other person I've known with it is Sully Erna, frontman and leader of another Massachusetts-based punk band, Godsmack. So, the question for you all (if you can find more than I have): Are Sully and Jeff related in any way? It seems like a heck of a coincidence that two musicians from the same U.S. state, of about the same age, with the same last name, involved in the same genre of music at the same time, would be entirely unrelated. A beer to anyone who can help me find this out. It would help me expand the articles of each, especially the article on Jeff, which is pretty sparse. Thanks in advance for any help. -- Jayron 32 04:34, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
 * The only thing I've been able to find on this is this forum post from 2012 (scroll halfway down), where someone says they are not related. Obviously that's not a reliable source and can't be used in the articles, but the poster sounds pretty much on the level so I'm inclined to believe that what he says is true. --Viennese Waltz 09:36, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for finding that. The post seems to have been someone who himself was also in an early version of Dropkick Murphys (if we take his word) and personally knows Jeff.  Seems pretty definitive to me.  Mooch ass grassy ass.  The next time we're within 20 miles of each other, I owe you a beer (or your favorite beverage) -- Jayron 32 14:30, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

2015-16 NCAA Division I Men's Basketball season
Well Happy Saint Patty's Day I Want To Know When Will the Article for the 2015-16 NCAA men's Division I Basketball season start. Cause There are some teams getting article for next season but when will this start. 68.102.58.146 (talk) 15:03, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Have you not read every thing we said every time you've asked this question, or ones similar to it? -- Jayron 32 15:30, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
 * He might be from the part of Kansas where they can write but can't read. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 16:21, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Well I Can't Find The article To this catagorey I'm not being Mean or disruptive But I'm asking this on my best behavior you haven't started this catagorey because we need some more information about it. And By the way Happy St Patty's day. 68.102.58.146 (talk) 17:28, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
 * When are you going to take our advice and go to the right venue to request new page creation? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:42, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Or create an account and do it himself. -- Jayron 32 19:22, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

So I Will go to the right venue to request new page creation and by the way Have a another beer baseball bugs. 68.102.58.146 (talk) 20:37, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm a non-drinker, but thanks for the offer. Let us know how the new page request works out. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:05, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
 * It's Paddy's, not Patty's, incidentally. Tevildo (talk) 02:22, 18 March 2015 (UTC)


 * That explains why the Paddy wagon was used to collect all the drunken Irishmen on St. Paddy's day (as well as the rest of the year). :-) StuRat (talk) 17:43, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Not because the cops were Irish? —Tamfang (talk) 07:22, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Why has the 2015–16 NCAA Division I Men's Basketball season article not been created yet. 68.102.58.146 (talk) 18:38, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Because you haven't done it. --TammyMoet (talk) 19:01, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

I'm Having A Hard Time creating new articles and I can't start Creating the 2015-16 NCAA Men's Division I Men's Basketball season article I'm having a hard time because the article is all red. 68.102.58.146 (talk) 21:01, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
 * You have been told time and time again how the process works. Why do you keep posting about it? Regarding the article, it's about the future season of a minor sports league, I would not imagine it's hight priority for anyone to create. 82.21.7.184 (talk) 21:44, 18 March 2015 (UTC)


 * We're going to try this one more time. If you want to create the article, here's how you do it.
 * Step 1) Register an account. Here is the link for doing so.
 * Step 2) Create the article.
 * You're welcome. -- Jayron 32 23:23, 18 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Also: Step 3) Please study the WP:CRYSTAL policy. Do not create articles about future sports seasons or tournaments "just because" when anything that can be currently said about them is inherently unverifiable and speculative, and you are just basically repeating one sentence from the main article. Zzyzx11 (talk) 12:37, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
 * There's no crystal ball aspect to this. The event is scheduled, and unless a major and unpredictable catastrophe occurs, it will go on as scheduled. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 15:35, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I was addressing 68.102.58.146's general behavior, not this specific article per se. This is the same IP that was repeatedly asking this same basic question about creating future sports articles back in December on Talk:Super Bowl LII, Help desk, and elsewhere, and was blocked for it. Zzyzx11 (talk) 00:59, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Aha, this is old news now, discussed on the talk page as well as here. The IP took Jayron's advice and created an account specifically to create that article, which he did, so presumably all is peachy now. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:04, 23 March 2015 (UTC)


 * American college basketball is not a "minor" sport. Huge amounts of money are involved. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 08:16, 19 March 2015 (UTC)