Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Entertainment/2015 May 2

= May 2 =

Referees in soccer and rugby with hands on hips
I've noticed that referees from Britain in rugby and soccer often address players with hands on hips. I've officiated other sports where this stance is specifically discouraged as it is considered aggressive. Just looking to see if this is a deliberate move on the part of the officials. Hack (talk) 14:29, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
 * 1) It's called football, not soccer, and 2) Do you have an actual question? 82.21.7.184 (talk) 23:20, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
 * What the sport is called depends on where you are. As is explained at Football, the term "football" identifies whatever is the most commonly played sport in the speaker's Anglophone country.  It is true that in the United Kingdom, an unqualified reference to "football" normally means association football, also known as soccer.  I found the reference to "rugby and soccer" to be helpful so that I wouldn't have to look up what "football" means in the United Kingdom, when I am in a country where "football" refers to a form of gridiron football.  The question is whether standing with hands on hips is considered aggressive.  Looking aggressive may be a good idea on the part of officials dealing with players who are younger and stronger than the officials.  It seems like a reasonable question to me.  Robert McClenon (talk) 23:59, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
 * And it's a totally reasonable question by the OP, though not being a soccer fan, I could only guess what the answer is, and any number of possibilities come to mind. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:08, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
 * ...Assuming the OP's observation is actually correct. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:13, 3 May 2015 (UTC)


 * I'm intrigued as to why the OP thinks it isn't a good idea for referees in a contact sport to look "aggressive"! After all, the ref is the ultimate arbiter of play and his/her decision is final. Sometimes you need to convey that non-verbally to the spoilt kids that play in the Premier League of Association Football. --TammyMoet (talk) 08:48, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Am I safe in assuming that getting physical with a soccer official is likely to result in ejection and possibly suspension? If so, the hands-on-hips says, "Don't even think about it!" ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 10:47, 3 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Paulo di Canio, who at the time was playing for Sheffield Wednesday, pushed the referee over and received a £10,000 fine and an 11 match ban. Later, when he was playing for West Ham United, he caught the ball rather than trying to score and received the FIFA Fair Play Award. Both incidents are on YouTube. Widneymanor (talk) 16:34, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Damsdam?
A horse′s maternal grandfather is its damsire. But how is the maternal grandmother called? 46.198.31.136 (talk) 16:07, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
 * See Horse breeding, although our article only mentions "damsire" explicitly. According to this forum posting, "maternal granddam" (or "dam's dam", with a space) is the term in use.  "Damdam" (and "siredam") don't appear to be attested (well, not in an equine context - "Damdam" is a cartoon monkey, and "Siredam" is a character from the Marvel Avengers series).  "Grandsire" is a horse's paternal grandfather. Tevildo (talk) 16:43, 2 May 2015 (UTC)