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= May 31 =

NHL overtime statistics
The other day an NHL playoff game went into overtime with the score tied 4–4, and it made me think: has anyone tabulated statistics of overtime games by score? For example, the highest score in an overtime game; the longest 2–1 game, the longest 3–2 game, the longest 4–3 game, and so on up; the relative frequency of different scores going into overtime. That sort of thing. --174.88.135.200 (talk) 03:42, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
 * One source would be this list from the NHL page. I don't immediately see the kind of stat your looking for, and it also seems to be out of date. But you could construct a list from this list, and fill it out with recent history references. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:11, 1 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Hockey Reference has a "frivolities" section that has a list the longest games, with length, final score, winning scorer, etc. That would answer some of these specific questions - the longest 4-3 game was April 24, 2003, a 5-overtime game between Anaheim and Dallas. HR also has a list of all overtime playoff games, where the highest score is 7-6 (four different games had that score). Fiddling some more with HR, here is a list of all overtime games (including regular season) sorted by number of goals, where the highest score seems to be an 8-8 tie. Some games have been won 8-7 in overtime. For more detailed stuff, generally that's harder to find for the NHL, because there just hasn't been the amount of work done with NHL stats as there has been with MLB stats. If you had similar baseball questions, Baseball Reference or Retrosheet could probably answer them immediately...for the NHL we might have to dig through game scores manually. But Hockey Reference is a good place to start. Adam Bishop (talk) 00:29, 1 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks! Based on Hockey Reference list of all playoff overtime games, here's a table summarizing data for those:


 * {| border="1" class="wikitable"


 * Score || Games
 * colspan="6" align="center" | Number of overtimes
 * colspan="3" align="center" | Overtime length
 * || || 1 || 2 || 3 || 4 || 5 || 6 || Shortest || Mean || Longest
 * 1–0 || 47 || 31 || 10 || 3 || 1 || 0 || 2 || 0:51 || 19:35 || 116:30
 * 2–1 || 167 || 123 || 29 || 12 || 2 || 1 || 0 || 0:59 || 15:19 || 92:01
 * 3–2 || 244 || 202 || 25 || 12 || 5 || 0 || 0 || 0:58 || 12:53 || 79:15
 * 4–3 || 210 || 167 || 35 || 7 || 0 || 1 || 0 || 0:51 || 11:40 || 80:48
 * 5–4 || 97 || 83 || 11 || 2 || 1 || 0 || 0 || 0:51 || 11:10 || 78:06
 * 6–5 || 28 || 27 || 1 || 0 || 0 || 0 || 0 || 0:34 || 6:23 || 22:32
 * 7–6 || 4 || 3 || 1 || 0 || 0 || 0 || 0 || 0:18 || 12:15 || 21:57
 * }
 * --174.88.135.200 (talk) 04:54, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Outstanding! There are some visible trends there, which I suspect is what you were curious about. In general, the tougher it has been to score, the longer the overtime is liable to go. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 05:52, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
 * 5–4 || 97 || 83 || 11 || 2 || 1 || 0 || 0 || 0:51 || 11:10 || 78:06
 * 6–5 || 28 || 27 || 1 || 0 || 0 || 0 || 0 || 0:34 || 6:23 || 22:32
 * 7–6 || 4 || 3 || 1 || 0 || 0 || 0 || 0 || 0:18 || 12:15 || 21:57
 * }
 * --174.88.135.200 (talk) 04:54, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Outstanding! There are some visible trends there, which I suspect is what you were curious about. In general, the tougher it has been to score, the longer the overtime is liable to go. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 05:52, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
 * --174.88.135.200 (talk) 04:54, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Outstanding! There are some visible trends there, which I suspect is what you were curious about. In general, the tougher it has been to score, the longer the overtime is liable to go. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 05:52, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

English football jerseys
A question which occurred to me while watching the FA Cup final last night - is there a historical reason why so many English football teams wear claret and sky blue? Aston Villa, West Ham, Crystal Palace, Burnley... red and white I can understand, and also blue and white, or yellow and black, or a strip that's entirely one colour - but claret seems an unusual choice and it's nearly always with sky blue. Are they perhaps originally regimental colours or similar, or is it simply a coincidence? Grutness...wha?  07:36, 31 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Aston Villa F.C.
 * West Ham United F.C.
 * Crystal Palace F.C.
 * Burnley F.C. and Burnley F.C.

give some info. Villa were the first (but nobody knows why), West Ham took their colours from those of the ironworks they were based at, Palace borrowed Villa's kit in their early days, and Burnley copied Villa when they were the the leading team in the league. Rojomoke (talk) 08:24, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
 * [ec] This site is linked from most of our articles for sourcing on such issues. According to it, the historical sequence is:


 * Aston Villa adopted claret and blue in 1887 after running through various sequences -.
 * West Ham Utd adopted claret and blue in 1899, reputedly after their coach Bill Dove won a Villa shirt in a foot race -.
 * Scunthorpe Utd adopted claret and blue in 1904, without any obvious connection to Villa -.
 * Crystal Palace FC adopted claret and blue on their foundation in 1905, as Edmund Goodman, their first chairman, had played for Villa -.
 * Burnley FC adopted claret and blue in 1910, when Villa won the FA Cup -.
 * Tevildo (talk) 08:39, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

So most of them followed Villa's lead by the looks of it. Thanks for that. ISTR that Arsenal's first ever jersey was claret as well, so maybe there's a connection there too. Grutness...wha?  09:13, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
 * A possible link would be ironworks: plenty of ironworks in the Aston area of Birmingham (now gone), West Ham's connection to ironworks already noted by Rojomoke, Scunthorpe also still has ironworks (Corus). --TammyMoet (talk) 10:54, 31 May 2015 (UTC)