Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Entertainment/2015 November 23

= November 23 =

First full-length autostereoscopic movie in full color
What was the first full-length autostereoscopic movie in full color? VRtrooper (talk) 07:42, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
 * It depends what you mean by full-length. But originally, feature films were about 50-55 minutes (back in the silent era), so we'll use this definition. With this in mind, the first autostereoscopic feature film in "full color" would be the 1952 Soviet film Mayskaya Noch. At first, I thought it was Robinzon Kruzo, but this article (in russian language) flat out states that it's a myth about the film being in color and that the original negative is in black and white (Machine 22-12 isn't in color either): http://mediavision-mag.ru/uploads/06%202011/65-67%2006_2011.pdf Ebaillargeon82 (talk) 10:45, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
 * According to IMDb (not an official reliable source, true), Robinzon Kruzo (1947) was shot in Sovcolor - we don't have an article on this format, but see Agfacolor. This article from the BFI, linked from our article on the film, also states that it was in colour. Tevildo (talk) 11:46, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
 * The link I posted above will explain everything. The original negative wasn't even in color! Ebaillargeon82 (talk) 12:16, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, my anti-virus software blocks mediavision-mag.ru. Does it satisfy our criteria for reliable sources?  Is there an English translation of the article available anywhere?  If so, I'm sure the information could usefully be added to the article, but, at the moment, the BFI source is the best we have. Tevildo (talk) 12:57, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
 * The link is to an article from a leading Russian publication, but there is no English translation available. But I could translate it in English for you, if you want. Ebaillargeon82 (talk) 20:47, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
 * We'll need evidence that the magazine is in fact a "leading Russian publication". It claims to be one, but that isn't proof.  WP:RSN might be the best place to discuss this. Tevildo (talk) 20:52, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

DC Comics in a Marvel Universe
This is probably going to sound a bit weird, but I've been wondering this for a few weeks now:

Do Batman comics exist within the Marvel universe?

Similarly, are Oliver Queen and Felicity Smoak able to go out and see the latest Avengers movie? Certain characters do mention comic books at times, so I'm curious as to whether there's an official answer as to whether the franchises contain each other as fiction. I'm guessing the answer is probably "it's not mentioned", but you never know.

(This question comes out of Christopher L. Bennett's author notes for one of his Star Trek novels, wherein he has a 20th century character and needs to know what sort of TV they may have watched in a world where, for obvious reasons, the Star Trek franchise never existed.) -mattbuck (Talk) 13:25, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, there was DC vs. Marvel and JLA/Avengers. See also Intercompany crossover. --Viennese Waltz 13:40, 23 November 2015 (UTC)  Ah, I see what you're getting at now - not so much crossovers like those I mention above, but instances where the characters of one universe experience the other universe as fiction.  As you were, then. --Viennese Waltz 13:45, 23 November 2015 (UTC)


 * These type of things are typically done as throwaway gags by the artists and writers rather than being company directives or part of canon. Perhaps even odder, Marvel comics are part of the Marvel Universe, to the point where Captain America even drew his own adventures for a while. Probably long since retconned, but it made for weird reading for sure. If you Google clark kent in marvel you'll see some articles and lists that cover instances of unofficial crossovers; it would not surprise me at all if some of them included times a Marvel character watched a Superman movie or similar, though I don't know of any specific instances to point you to. 64.235.97.146 (talk) 14:55, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Apparently, The Marvel Action Hour was lame in comic world, too. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:35, 27 November 2015 (UTC)


 * I don't know, but you may also be interested in our general list on the subject list of fictional books - Comic books appearing in comic books are most likely fictional books, though there may be exceptions. SemanticMantis (talk) 15:33, 23 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Not DC or Marvel, but on a hunch I Googled "Bash Street Kids reading The Beano" and came up with this.--Shantavira|feed me 19:35, 23 November 2015 (UTC)


 * The general case for this problem is described at TV Tropes as genre blindness - where people in a zombie movie have never seen a zombie movie. Superhero fiction is just as guilty of it - whenever someone is irradiated or whatever and learns they're super-strong, no-one ever says "wow, he's a super hero now". In practice, almost all fictional characters live in a stark universe where there is no (modern) fiction at all - fictions within fiction are rare, and are almost always belie a major plot point, winking at the audience. Or the piece is a oh-so-postmodern lampshading of the genre (Scream, Buffy). 91.125.113.203 (talk) 23:53, 23 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Marvel characters sometimes make jokes about Clark Kent; for example: after the Beta Ray Bill story, in which Thor lost the ability to become Donald Blake, he approached Nick Fury (iirc) for help in fitting in on Earth; among other things Fury gave him a pair of glasses, saying, "They always worked for that other guy." (This is from my memory, about which see above.) —Tamfang (talk) 08:46, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Hatufim actors in Homeland
in "All About Allison", the latest episode of Homeland, actress Hadar Ratzon Rotem made a guest appearance as Mossad official Tova. She previously appeared in Hatufim, the Israeli show which is (roughly) the basis of Homeland. I know the two programmes have some behind-the-scenes personnel in common (in particular Gideon Raff), but are there other actors who have appeared in both? -- Finlay McWalterᚠTalk 22:48, 23 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Yousef Sweid was in both, according to IMDb (in the pilot episode of Homeland, and as Abdallah in Hatufim). IMDb has a search function that shows "Common Cast/Crew Between Two Titles" and "Two People Working Together". There are 9 people with IMDb pages who have worked on both shows but Sweid is the only actor currently listed. Adam Bishop (talk) 08:27, 24 November 2015 (UTC)