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= October 19 =

War (2007 film)
I want to make sure. If Tom Lone is actually Still Alive, then why did the Guy say, ["Tom Lone is dead. My name is Rogue."]?

Becuz of that Phrase, I believed for a Moment that Rogue was Alive all Along — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.173.3.162 (talk) 04:46, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Link, in case anyone who's seen the film pops by and can answer the question: War (2007 film). Our article outlines a complicated plot, but the line "Rogue is actually FBI agent Tom Lone (who, after undergoing plastic surgery, changed his voice to obtain a Japanese accent); and killed the real Rogue" implies that Lone is alive and Rogue is dead. --Dweller (talk) 09:25, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Are you saying that Tom Lone changed his Identity Card to Rogue at the End of this Film?(50.173.3.170 (talk) 13:12, 19 October 2015 (UTC)).

Forgot film
Forgot horror film title from the 2000s (most likely American, certainly in English) involving witchcraft where a young man is thrown into air by supernatural force and killed. There's also a repairman who is called to fix some house wiring, gets electrocuted and also dies due to witchcraft. Animal remains for the purposes of witchcraft are also found in the forest. Superficially resembles The Blair Witch Project, but not that film. Thanks--93.174.25.12 (talk) 09:47, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Can Anduril glow in the book?
According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Middle-earth_weapons_and_armour:

The filmmakers opted not to make Andúril glow at all, keeping that property only for Sting. (Gandalf's sword Glamdring also did not glow in the presence of orcs. Peter Jackson notes, in his DVD commentary on The Fellowship of the Ring, that this was an oversight, not a deliberate change from the books.)

Does it mean that in the book Anduril can glow, but the filmmakers opted not to, like Glamdring and Orcrist (and yes, I know that Glamdring is an oversight, but in The Hobbit it doesn't glow either), or that they initially wanted to make it glow, but decided that it isn't consistent with the book? 139.195.93.229 (talk) 12:51, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm doing my semi-annual re-reading of the books right now. I don't recall anything about Andúril literally glowing, though the name ('flame of the west') certainly insinuates that. There are certainly mentions of the blade "flashing". At one point, I think when the company is near the Falls of Rauros, Aragorn asks Frodo to draw Sting so that they can see if orcs are close. Presumably he wouldn't have done that if his sword exhibited the same properties (in the book, of course, Aragorn has the sword at this point, but in the movies he wouldn't have). I suspect that our article is in error. 64.235.97.146 (talk) 14:10, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I agree that in the books, Anduril does not glow in the presence of orcs the way Sting does. Sting, Glamdring, and Orcrist were all forged in Gondolin during the first Age. Anduril was forged in the third age, out of the shards of Narsil, which was forged in the second age. My opinion was that the art of making orc-detecting glow was lost at the closing of the first age, but I cannot find any clear canonical support for that claim. Maybe Elrond et al. could indeed have made Anduril glow to detect orcs, but they didn't. lotr.wikia has some coverage of these blades . SemanticMantis (talk) 15:03, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Perhaps Narsil was made of stuff which could not be made to glow, even in Gondolin. — Foster's Complete Guide to Middle-earth says that Narsil was made in the First Age by Telchar, a Dwarf, who also made the knife with which Beren pried a Silmaril from the Iron Crown. —Tamfang (talk) 07:19, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Mister Rogers' Clothes Change
Was it a commonly occurring thing for people to change from blazers and loafers into cardigans and sneakers upon arriving home from the office in Fred Rogers' time? 20.137.7.64 (talk) 13:02, 19 October 2015 (UTC)


 * White collar workers often change into different clothing when they get home from work to this day. It may not be cardigans and sneakers but a change often happens nonetheless. This is, in part, to keep their work clothes cleaner. A pair of pants, for example, will often not show any dirt or wear after just a day at the office, so they may be changed upon arriving at home. That's not an easy thing to do on a children's show but shoes and a blazer/cardigan are easy to show. Plus, Rogers would look more relaxed and less formal. Dismas |(talk) 13:20, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Four person conflicts
I'm looking for fictitious conflicts involving four individuals with the conflict situation being In the first case, I know Batman & Robin vs. Green Hornet & Cato (but still looking for more). I know no example for the second situation. Coming close is the essential conflict in the early stages of Guardians of the Galaxy: Starlord vs Gamora vs Rocket+Groot vs The Nova Corps, but the latter two are not only individuals. Has there, possibly, ever been a Mexican Standoff between four gunmen? --KnightMove (talk) 16:56, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
 * 1) either two against two
 * 2) or "round robin" - everyone against all the others.


 * The closest thing to a four man Mexican standoff I can think of is near the end of Reservoir Dogs, but not everybody is armed in that one. May be worth a look, though. 64.235.97.146 (talk) 17:27, 19 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Most of Tarantino's trademark Mexican standoffs would qualify. Also the one from Pulp Fiction features four parties all armed: Jules and Pumpkin are aimed at each other, Honey Bunny is aimed at Jules, while Vincent is aimed at Honey Bunny.  It's not a full cycle, as Vincent is not under direct threat, just as in the Reservoir Dogs example, it's not a full cycle as Orange is not himself threatening anyone.  Tarantino's Mexican Standoffs usually each have their own unique twists like this, each one has a different permutation.  -- Jayron 32 16:22, 20 October 2015 (UTC)


 * IIRC, Honey Bunny starts off pointing her gun at Vincent - or at least swings between the two. Jules then tells her to direct the gun at himself. 64.235.97.146 (talk) 19:34, 20 October 2015 (UTC)


 * No, Honey Bunny is pointing the gun at Jules at the start, and Vincent (who was in the bathroom at the start of the conflict) sneaks up on her and points the gun at her. She gets confused and starts to swing the gun between the two momentarily, but Jules tells her to return the gun back at himself.  Except for the brief instant when she's surprised by Vincent, she in mostly trained on Jules.  -- Jayron 32 20:11, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
 * For an alternative idea on this scene, go to about the 2 minute mark of this item: ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:46, 21 October 2015 (UTC)


 * I suggest any Professional wrestling Tag team match would qualify for the first. I have seen four way matches too. --TrogWoolley (talk) 12:49, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

The Reservoir Dogs, Pulp Fiction, and tag-team examples are all invalid, as I interpret the original question: they all involve two teams of opponents, and members of a team do not fight against other members of the same team. (In Reservoir Dogs it's complicated by the fact that one of the three does not know which of the other two to side with.) Professional wrestling battle royal works except that it usually has more than four competitors. jnestorius(talk) 18:38, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I look for both situations, 1. two teams and 2. all against each other. The Pulp Fiction scene is, contrary to the intention of Jayron32, actually a very good example for 1. Shame on me, I haven't seen Reservoir Dogs yet and will close this gap in education asap. --KnightMove (talk) 08:47, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

English football manager of the year (pre-LMA)
My google-fu is failing me right now. English football has had an annual manager of the year award since at least 1969 (Don Revie winning that year). It went through a period of sponsorship by Bell's and was voted on, like the Professional Footballers' Association awards. I've only been able to find the award history from the League Managers Association, but they only go back to when they were first formed in 1992. Does anyone know who ran the English manager of the year before that? Fuebaey (talk) 18:10, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
 * This forum posting has a list - unsourced, I'm afraid. It's surprisingly difficult to track down for something that was presumably well-publicized at the time. Tevildo (talk) 19:19, 21 October 2015 (UTC)