Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Entertainment/2015 October 9

= October 9 =

what is the name of the speech pattern, attitude pattern and form showcased by secret agents of government, military, black ops, mib etc?
always using verbose formal english, stoic but gives off a feeling as if agents are always optimistic, even during mission failure — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mahfuzur rahman shourov (talk • contribs) 05:43, 9 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Stiff upper lip? 196.213.35.146 (talk) 06:27, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

Somebody please correct this
Go to Tell Her (Lonestar song). There's a message saying:

''This song should not be confused with the female interpretation of "Tell Him". "Tell Him" (and Tell Her) is a song written and composed by Bert Berns, which was first recorded as "Tell Her" in 1962.''

The song "Tell Him", which is what the above statement is talking about, is a female-singer song. (We know that some songs have both male and female-singer versions, and I understand the phrase female interpretation to mean "variant of a song originally sung by a man being sung by a woman". This description make no sense implies that the song being talked about ("Tell Him" in this case) is a male-singer song and that it's talking about what a female-singer version of the song would be.) Please fix the statement.

Important note for anyone who wants to make a post in this section about reference desks vs. talk pages as places to post messages on Wikipedia: I'm posting this here so that it can get more attention; many talk pages get so little attention.) Georgia guy (talk) 16:45, 9 October 2015 (UTC)


 * I actually don't think it needs fixing. There is a "female" version of the song "Tell Him", which is a different song to the Lonestar song. I think the comment has been made because the Bert Berns song was a bigger hit than the Lonestar song and people might become confused. This sort of disambiguation is central to what Wikipedia does regarding information and clarification. --TammyMoet (talk) 17:40, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
 * A "female" version of a song means a version of the song with a female singer, which "Tell Him" clearly does. What am I confusing?? Georgia guy (talk) 17:46, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I've now rewritten the sentence as a hatnote, which I hope makes the position clearer. Ghmyrtle (talk) 07:44, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
 * You're missing the change of the words to reflect the gender of the singer. The same song, sung by a female singer, has a different title because they've changed the words. Another example is the song "My Girl", which became "My Guy" when sung by a female singer, but was completely different to the song "My Guy" sung by Mary Wells. --TammyMoet (talk) 12:14, 10 October 2015 (UTC)