Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Entertainment/2016 August 15

= August 15 =

Deewana 1992 film
Since Deewana was the 1st film for Sharukhan & Rishi Kapoor to be in Collaboration, are there any Other Films for Collaborations between Sharukhan & Rishi Kapoor?(76.20.88.33 (talk) 16:41, 15 August 2016 (UTC)).
 * Rishi had a cameo in SRK's movie Jab Tak Hai Jaan. I can't promise it's the only case besides Deewana but I have the feeling it is. If it's important to you just check the filmographies of those two actors on WP. You've got everything you need here to answer your own question. Contact Basemetal   here  18:21, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

2016 Olympics, gentlemen's basketball
Brazil having beaten Nigeria, what happens if Argentina beat Spain and Croatia lose to Lithuania? (I can't find definite answers, no word on it from the broadcaster either). Splićanin (talk) 21:49, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Basketball at the 2016 Summer Olympics should have this info. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:00, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Three different sites (FIBA, wiki, and flashscore) rank teams 4, 5, 6 in three different ways. What happens if three teams (Spain, Croatia, Brazil) end up on 7 points? Splićanin (talk) 22:11, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
 * This article states that "the tie-breaking procedures begin with points, then head-to-head results, point differential, and then points scored." Clarityfiend (talk) 00:18, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Just to clarify here, the word "points" is being used in two different ways. The first is "win-loss" points; with 2 points awarded for a win and 1 for a loss.  "Point differential" and "points scored" uses the actual basket points; thus if the USA beat Australia 107-95 (for example) their "point differential" is +12 and their "points scored" is 107.  Australia's "point differential" is -12 and their "points scored" is 95.  -- Jayron 32 10:48, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
 * As an aside here, the "win-loss points" awarded are entirely redundant in sports that don't allow a "draw" or a "tie". Since there are only two possible results, one could just rank teams by "wins" and get the same rank order.  I suspect FIBA's use of game points is because of their familiarity in sports like association football and hockey where tied scores are common; in those sports you can alter rankings by awarding varying points for wins, losses, ties, and reaching various milestones (such as shoot-outs and the like).  In those sports, it's possible to have less wins than another team, and still beat them in the standings by virtue of having more game points.  In basketball, that's not possible, because the only meaningful way to get points is by winning the game "2-for-a-win" and "1-for-a-loss" is functionally equivalent to "1-for-a-win" and "0-for-a-loss"; which is just W-L record.  -- Jayron 32 10:52, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Some sports can deduct points from a team for violations. See e.g. 2006 Italian football scandal or Serbia v Albania (UEFA Euro 2016 qualifying). I don't follow basketball and was surprised by this in Basketball at the 2016 Summer Olympics: "Two points are awarded for a victory, one for a loss." Surely you are in a better position if you still have a chance to win a match than if you have already lost. I found this in Group tournament ranking system:

In FIBA (basketball)-sanctioned tournaments, where ties are impossible (a game goes into as many extra periods — or overtimes — as necessary to determine a winner), the following method is used:
 * Win (including by forfeit) = 2 points
 * Loss = 1 point
 * Loss by default (all players were ejected/disqualified/injured) = 1 point
 * Loss by forfeit (fails to show up for a scheduled game or withdraws from the court before the end of the game) = 0 points
 * I guess 0 points are rarely used. It's confusing to me that Brazil is ranked second in [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:2016_Summer_Olympics_men%27s_basketball_group_B_standings&oldid=733428498]. It seems to me that 1 point for a win, 0 for a loss and -1 for a forfeit would give more logical standings during a tournament when teams have played a different number of matches. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:00, 17 August 2016 (UTC)