Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Entertainment/2016 January 10

= January 10 =

Jazz/swing piece referenced at the end of this spoken word
At the end of this spoken word poem, the poet scat-sings a melody that sounds familiar, and it's bothering me that I can't remember what it's called. I want to say it's by Glenn Miller, but I'm not sure.--Newbiepedian (talk · contribs · X! · logs) 01:12, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
 * You must have linked to the wrong video. At the end of this video (which is identical to the video you linked to), just before a BMW Hydrogen 7 commercial, all I can hear is Faron Young singing "It's four in the morning". Contact Basemetal   here  05:27, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Oh dear, I did link the wrong one! I meant this one!--Newbiepedian (talk · contribs · X! · logs) 21:09, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
 * You were spot on with Glenn Miller: It's "In the Mood". ---Sluzzelin talk  01:08, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Identify the names of some of The Muppets characters
Can someone please give me the names of all of The Muppets characters in this photo: ? Most especially, the little one on the bottom left (under Fozzie Bear) that looks like maybe a chicken or a rooster? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 06:28, 10 January 2016 (UTC)


 * That's Camilla the Chicken: . From Fozzie Bear to the right, we have Gonzo, Kermit the Frog, Miss Piggy, Animal, Rowlf the Dog, and Scooter down front on the right. StuRat (talk) 07:01, 10 January 2016 (UTC)


 * The one the Swedish Chef was sometimes seen chasing with a meat cleaver. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:00, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

Perfect! Thanks! Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 21:57, 10 January 2016 (UTC)


 * You're quite welcome. StuRat (talk) 06:25, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

name that DC(?) character
My knowledge of superheroes is far out of date. Here we have a Green Lantern, a Flash, Batman, Catwoman, ??, Wonder Woman and the Martian Manhunter; who's the one with the mace? —Tamfang (talk) 10:23, 10 January 2016 (UTC)


 * That's actually a morning star, not a mace. However, I could not find anything relevant by googling on "superhero" together with "jester's cap" and either weapon.  I did find that Harley Quinn has worn a jester's cap, so maybe this is a different incarnation of that character.  But that is only a guess. --76.69.45.64 (talk) 10:36, 10 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Possibly Hawkgirl. I found it by googling "female superhero with mace". ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 10:41, 10 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Yes, that's Hawkgirl, or possibly Hawkwoman. Matt Deres (talk) 13:15, 10 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Ah, so it was a beak, not a jester's cap. Sorry about that, folks. --76.69.45.64 (talk) 19:27, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I assume it's been discussed somewhere, but it's rather amusing that all our articles begin "X is a fictional superhero." Are we implying that there are real ones? Tevildo (talk) 21:53, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
 * It's a redundancy, as the first line of Superhero defines such as a fictional character. Thus any specific superhero is a fictional fictional character. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:33, 10 January 2016 (UTC)


 * I know you're just being facetious, Tevildo, but that "fictional" is well grounded in the MoS, where the last bulleted item in WP:BEGIN says "If the article is about a fictional character or place, say so." Plus, I've known some (younger, media-oriented) folk whom I wouldn't trust to recognize the fictionality of superheroes. Deor (talk) 23:36, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Apologies for taking this off-topic, bu I think I actually would like to read the discussion, if it exists. The point is that "fictional superhero" is at best tautological, and not really (IMO) the sort of thing we should be saying in our collective editorial voice.  "Superhero" is admittedly one of the few cases where "fictional" isn't needed; there are mythological or legendary, as opposed to fictional, werewolves and vampires; but even in this sort of case, the lede usually starts with something sensible - "Count Dracula is the title character...", "Davros is a character...", "Treebeard is a fictional character..." - not "fictional vampire, fictional Dalek, fictional Ent".  Where was the consensus reached for "fictional superhero"? Tevildo (talk) 00:10, 11 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Actually, many superhero articles use the formulation "X is a fictional character, a superhero appearing in..." (example), though of course the other formula is also used extensively. I suppose it could be claimed that it serves to contrast them from real-life superheros of various stripes. Matt Deres (talk) 00:36, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I _think_ the relevant discussion is at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Writing about fiction/Archive 9, which, on a brief reading, seems to be more about fictional characters in general rather than superheroes in particular. I have a horrible feeling this is going to turn into an RfC - any suggestions on the best place to start it?  Incidentally, the search function suggests that "fictionel superheroes" [sic] is what I'm really looking for, despite that term (unsurprisingly) not appearing anywhere.  Does _this_ need to be flagged up, as well? Tevildo (talk) 20:43, 11 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia does have the article Real-life superhero. Whether they count as "true" superheros or not might be open to debate. -- 160.129.138.186 (talk) 20:27, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
 * You can usually get faster and better answers to these kinds of superhero identification questions on Science Fiction & Fantasy StackExchange. Eg. Who are these Lego superheroes? or Who are these DC superheroes?  You may cross-post this question there if you choose to, but please add links to each post from the other.  &#x2013; b_jonas 13:06, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Super Grover 2.0 (game or a (web)serie)?
Hello, I saw on saskia's resume this: Super Grover 2.0. Everyone know that this is a serie or a game?--Maxie1hoi (talk) 15:46, 10 January 2016 (UTC)


 * See Super Grover 2.0 (and Grover for context). Our article and the Sesame Street website describe it as a "segment", although I'm not sure how that's defined. Tevildo (talk) 16:46, 10 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Sesame Street consists of main story, which typically involves a mix of human and Muppet characters and usually occurs on the "Street", or nearby (such as at Hooper's Store), interspersed with a series of small "segments", each only a minute or so long, and taking place elsewhere. Those segments can be Bert and Ernie shorts, Super Grover shorts, The Count counting something, various other in-house shorts, or various other shorts they purchase rather than produce themselves. StuRat (talk) 19:10, 10 January 2016 (UTC)