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= January 25 =

Fatal Italian movie
Can anyone name an Italian movie in which a member of the audience in a cinema is found shot dead at the end of showing a western cowboy movie, apparently shot from the screen by a character in the western? IIRC the police require the audience to remain through a reshowing of the western and yet again someone in the audience gets shot. AllBestFaith (talk) 01:29, 25 January 2016 (UTC)


 * What a great plot! It's called Closed Circuit and described in full (with spoiler) at the imbd listing.--Shantavira|feed me 09:39, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Indeed! "Referencing a classic Ray Bradbury short story about children who imagine lions roaming the African veldt in their bedroom then lure their parents in to be devoured, this unique "science-fiction giallo" toys with the concept that TV and movie images define reality as man becomes a slave to his inventions." Where can one find this film today? AllBestFaith (talk) 13:29, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
 * It's available to download on a private torrent site of which I'm a member, but unfortunately the site is not open to new signups. --Viennese Waltz 13:43, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
 * The Bradbury short story is from the book The Illustrated Man. Three of the stories from that book including "The Veldt" were used in The Illustrated Man (film) starring Rod Steiger. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 17:02, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
 * There are some other adaptations of the story listed here The Veldt (short story). MarnetteD&#124;Talk 17:05, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Is Soulfly the only band with band-titled songs on every album?
Each and every Soulfly album have band-titled songs "Soulfly ..." followed by Roman numerals except for the first one (e.g. "Soulfly X"). According to rateyourmusic.com, over 600 bands have their songs titled directly after their band, but is Soulfly the only band where it features band-titled sequel songs that appear on every album, or are there's other bands like it? I tried finding it on Google but I can't find it. I want to know in order to add that fact to one of the articles on Soulfly Wikia. For comparison, I know few of the bands where they have multiple band-titled albums - Led Zeppelin (specified by Roman numerals), Chicago (specified by Roman numerals), Collective Soul (not specified), and Weezer (specified by colors). Planet Star  07:11, 25 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Bo Diddley not only had his name in most of his album titles, but also had a number of songs containing his stage name and variations thereof. See Bo Diddley discography. --Xuxl (talk) 08:38, 25 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Janis Ian also made two self-titled alba, in 1967 and 1978. —Tamfang (talk) 09:44, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Peter Gabriel had four self-titled albums, which angered his record label. He apparently hates coming up with album titles, detailed at So_(album). His subsequent albums had proper names, but never more than 2 letters long. Staecker (talk) 14:10, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
 * That's nice, but neither Janis Ian or Peter Gabriel is anything to do with the OP's question. --Viennese Waltz 14:55, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
 * If the OP means literally every album, then they don't fit the specifications. Like the Beatles had a number of albums with "Beatles" in the title, but the majority did not. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:19, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
 * You're still not getting it. The OP's question is not about album titles, it's about song titles. He wants to know if there are any other examples besides Soulfly of bands who have songs called '[bandname] I', [bandname] II', '[bandname] III' and so on. --Viennese Waltz 19:38, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
 * OK, I see. Each album (sometimes only the "bonus" versions) have a song called "Soulfly" whose number corresponds to the album sequence. A gimmick. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:14, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes I know I wasn't directly answering OP, but OP did bring up several "multiple band-titled albums". I assume the answer to OP's question is "no", but of course I don't have a source for that. Staecker (talk) 23:04, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
 * There were tens of thousands of bands around the world, so it might sounds considerably probable that at least couple other bands have band-titled songs on every album. If I had to guess, there are three bands to have these, including Soulfly, and two others may be obscured. But giving the large numbers of bands and a considerable proportion of obscured bands, there might be way more, maybe dozens or even hundreds. There is a more considerable probability that Soulfly is the only metal band and possibly the only rock band to feature band-titled songs on every album. Planet  Star  00:31, 26 January 2016 (UTC)


 * He's not a band, but he's mentioned above, Bo Diddley. Near as I can tell, despite a prolific career recording and performing, he released only 4 full studio albums of all original material.  Others were greatest hits collections, live albums, collaborations, repackaging of prior songs, etc.  Looking through all four albums: Bo Diddley (1958 album), Go Bo Diddley, Have Guitar Will Travel (Bo Diddley album), and Bo Diddley Is a Gunslinger there's a song with a variation of his name on every one.  Still, with early pop and rock artists, how to qualify or count a "studio album" is difficult.  Most acts go into the studio nowadays to record an album as a goal.  Prior to the mid-1960s, albums were usually released as collections of prior released singles, and the entire process was much less formalized, you'd often get albums coming out in rapid succession, often featuring sometimes many of the same songs, different albums released in different markets with significant crossover of material.  The entire industry worked very different from more recently. -- Jayron 32 21:00, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Bo Diddley is considered both a person and a band. Bo Diddley is the only other band you can think of other than Soulfly to have at least variations of band-titled songs on every album. Planet  Star  21:13, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

This American Life musical sting
In this episode of This American Life there is a musical sting for a couple of seconds starting at 20:36 (after the male voice says 'shipped off to Italy'). I think it's played on bass guitar.

I'm no good at transcribing music, but it goes something like Dumm Dumm ↑Di ↓Da ↓Da ↓Dum Dumm. I've heard it used not only in this episode but most episodes of TAL. It might just be a sting written for the show, or some sort of publicly available short riff, but it sounds very familiar and I have a feeling that it's taken from some song, piece of music, or maybe even a TV theme. SoundHound hasn't been able to identify the music, and TAL's FAQs listing some of the artists they use regularly hasn't given me any leads. Anyone have any ideas? - Cucumber Mike (talk) 12:26, 25 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Here is a transcription of the melody you're describing (click to hear MIDI file):
 * In the episode location you mention, I can hear a little more of that background music, but it's very quiet behind the dialog. The entire music clip is from 20:45 through 21:09, starting behind the dialog "So Jill convinced a nurse friend to smuggle needles and test tubes to her house." It starts with repeating bass notes, then during a few seconds of pause in the dialog the melody you describe is prominently heard, then the dialog continues with some faint chords and then the melody again faintly.
 * If you can find another episode that uses this background music, maybe the theme of the dialog it's used with is similar and might provide a clue about the title or origin of the music. For example, in this episode, the music is used with smuggling and Italy, so one wild guess I had was that it might be from an Italian western. --Bavi H (talk) 05:33, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
 * If you can find another episode that uses this background music, maybe the theme of the dialog it's used with is similar and might provide a clue about the title or origin of the music. For example, in this episode, the music is used with smuggling and Italy, so one wild guess I had was that it might be from an Italian western. --Bavi H (talk) 05:33, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Question about The Revenant
Mild spoilers. I watched the movie last night and my wife and I are stuck on a plot point. At the beginning of the film, a group of Indians ("The Ree") attack the camp, apparently in search of a young woman taken from them named Powaqa. Somewhat later, the same band is seen dealing with some French fellows, bartering pelts for horses. Still later we see French fellows again - with Powaqa their captive. One, about to rape the woman, remarks that "those horses weren't for free" (or something similar), which makes me think that's the same French group as before, but I am not sure. For one, I can't figure out the sequence of events (if she was taken earlier, why did the Ree still do business with that French band, but if she was taken as part of the deal for the horses, it makes no sense for them to be on a rampage earlier in the film). Further, the two French groups seem to have very different relationships with the Ree. Basically, my question is, "Were the two groups of French troops meant to be separate groups or the same one at different times?" Matt Deres (talk) 16:13, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
 * You might want to ask at Talk:The Revenant (2015 film). GoingBatty (talk) 03:02, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Films that shows a plane crash into a skyscraper
I'm looking for a films that shows an airplane crash into a skyscraper, specially before 9/11. Which films you recall? 149.78.15.121 (talk) 16:37, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
 * The film Drive-In (film) has a film within the film that parodies the disaster film genre and - if memory serves - has a scene of a plane crashing into a skyscraper. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 16:57, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm fairly certain that the first or second (or both) "Airplane!" movies featured the craft clipping the topping antenna off of a skyscraper. Matt Deres (talk) 18:35, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
 * The first one definitely does. As the plane is making its approach to Chicago, you hear a radio voice saying, "This is WXYZ [or whatever] where Disco lives forever!" And immediately after, the plane clips the antenna and the station goes silent. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:15, 25 January 2016 (UTC)


 * An IMDB keyword search for "plane crash into building" produces 10 hits. Of these 8 are documentaries either about 9/11 or about the Empire State Building. The other two are the 2007 Dutch movie Moordwijven or Killer Wives, also known in English as Killer Babes, and the 1957 Swedish movie Gårdarna runt sjön, for which the IMDB does not list an English title. But even if the keywords are correct, I have no idea whether the buildings in question are skyscrapers.  --76.69.45.64 (talk) 19:40, 25 January 2016 (UTC)


 * The IMDb description of the 1977 TV movie Flight to Holocaust, starring Patrick Wayne, is "A team of troubleshooters is called to a skyscraper where a plane has crashed into the 20th floor and is stuck in the side of the building." Clarityfiend (talk) 22:36, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Heck, youtube even has a clip of the "actual" crash (not safe for people who expect good special effects). Clarityfiend (talk) 03:11, 27 January 2016 (UTC)


 * And on the same lines, the "Pasternak" sequence from Wild Tales.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 12:41, 29 January 2016 (UTC)


 * In the premier episode of The Lone Gunmen (TV series) ( a spin-off of The X-Files), which aired March 4, 2001, members of the U.S. government conspire to hijack an airliner, fly it into the World Trade Center, and blame the act on terrorists to gain support for a new profit-making war. The episode aired six months prior to the September 11 attacks. I don't recall if, in the show, the plane actually hit the building or if the guys were able to avert the crisis.--William Thweatt TalkContribs 01:05, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Movie trivia
Hoping you can provide the titles of the following;

> Because of a successful lawsuit being brought against a movie studio, which was the first film to insert a disclaimer in the credits stating that 'this film is a work of fiction and any resemblance to persons living or dead is purely coincidental'.

> Listed amongst the 100 Worst Movies Ever is one that involves a lumbering NYC cab driver being taught to become a C&W singer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.37.65.245 (talk) 21:13, 25 January 2016‎


 * The first one is discussed in All persons fictitious disclaimer, dating to 1932. Looks like the second one is Rhinestone (film). ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:42, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
 * The film which prompted the lawsuit was Rasputin and the Empress (1932), but I've not been able, as yet, to track down the first film to use the disclaimer. It's safe to say that it was released in 1934 (just after the lawsuit was decided against the studio). Tevildo (talk) 21:47, 25 January 2016 (UTC)