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= June 10 =

NHL goal dislodged
If the physical goal net is dislodged during a National Hockey League game, is it possible to score a goal before someone puts it back, and if so, under what conditions? Goal (ice hockey) makes a blanket claim that no goal can be scored when the goal net is out of place, but no ruleset is specified, and this video discusses the circumstances in which such a situation is scored as a goal in the NCAA, so I don't trust our article. I can't find anything on NHL rules; doesn't help that I know almost nothing of hockey in general. Nyttend (talk) 01:30, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
 * In general, when the cage is dislodged, the official will immediately blow the whistle and stop the play. I'll see if I can locate any exceptions... Yes, the rule is that if a defensive player's action results in knocking the goal off its moorings while the attacker is attempting a shot, the goal can count. Here is a detailed discussion which may leave your head swimming if you're not a fan, but it's a pretty thorough explanation... And it squares with the video you linked... And by the way, you're right - the article has it wrong. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:05, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
 * It's worth pointing out that in the old days, the cage was secured by a couple of small pipes embedded in the ice. For safety reasons, they were replaced by a much lower profile pair of moorings. So the net becomes dislodged rather more frequently now than it used to. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:21, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

The NHL rule book is here. Finding the relevant provisions by searching in the PDF is tricky because different words are used to describe the same thing, but I see a direct contradiction between two rules. Rule 78.5(x) specifies that an apparent goal "shall be disallowed by the Referee" when the net becomes displaced accidentally; yet Rule 63.6 specifies that if it's displaced either accidentally or deliberately by a defending player after the puck is shot or while the puck is being shot, and otherwise the puck would have entered the net, then "the Referee may award a goal" after all. Some other situations are covered in Rule 63.2 on delay-of-game penalties, even though accidentally displacing the net is not cause for a penalty. --69.159.60.83 (talk) 07:58, 12 June 2016 (UTC)