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= May 27 =

2003 Indy 500 announcers
In watching a replay of the 2003 Indianapolis 500 on ESPN Classic, I noticed that they were showing the ABC video, but the listed ABC announcers were not heard. Instead, the announcers were Gary Lee and Larry Rice. Did they actually call the Indy 500 that year? Was their substitution on ESPN Classic a result of the controversy involving regular announcers Bob Jenkins and Jack Arute? (And if so, is it notable enough to include in the "Broadcasting" section of the race article?)  → Michael J Ⓣ Ⓒ Ⓜ 05:16, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

Overtime in basketball
Overtime (sports) says that in Euroleague Basketball competitions, overtime is not used for the legs of two-legged ties, except when the aggregate score after the second leg is a draw; but that only applies for Euroleague Basketball competitions, and then only since 2009.

So, suppose Team A plays Team B in a two-legged tie in a tournament where there's no such rule. Team A wins the first leg by 6 points. Near the end of the second leg, Team B is 2 points ahead and has the ball possession with only a couple of seconds remaining on the clock – not enough for it to score twice more for at least 4 more points. Does that mean that the wisest thing Team B can then do is deliberately score in its own basket in order to equalize the score and trigger overtime, so it can try to overcome the 6-point aggregate deficit during the overtime?

And has such a thing actually ever happened? In football (soccer), a similar thing happened during a particular tournament that had invented its own bizarre rules: Barbados 4–2 Grenada (1994 Caribbean Cup qualification). --Theurgist (talk) 23:51, 27 May 2016 (UTC)


 * For greater clarity: "two-legged tie" is Eurospeak for "two-game total-point series". --69.159.60.83 (talk) 08:04, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you, IP. This American had never heard that phrase before. Dismas |(talk) 12:33, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I believe that "Eurospeak" is better known as British English. Alansplodge (talk) 08:13, 29 May 2016 (UTC)


 * That wouldn't work as it's the aggregate score that is counted and not a tie in the second game. In your example Team A would have an aggregate score of 8 points, from the two games, more than Team B. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 12:29, 28 May 2016 (UTC)


 * In my example, Team A is, at this point, leading by 4 points on aggregate, so an own basket by Team B would make it 6 points, not 8; and it will level the score in that particular game.
 * Indeed, the aggregate score determines the overall winner of a tie, but the article implies that overtime is always played if the regulation time of the individual game ends as a draw, the only exception being two-legged ties (two-game total-points series) in European competitions.
 * That would mean that outside European competitions, overtime is used after the second game if either that particular game is drawn or the aggregate score is drawn. So, if, in my example, the score in the second game is level instead, then Team A would benefit by scoring in its own basket, as it would thus avoid overtime, lose the second game, but win on aggregate.
 * And if Team A has won by 4 points and Team B is now 2 points ahead, that's a situation very similar to the Barbados vs Grenada football match: Team B now has to score in either basket. An own basket is worse than a regular basket as it affects the aggregate score, but is still better than no basket at all which guarantees elimination.
 * Is all that true or not? --Theurgist (talk) 13:22, 28 May 2016 (UTC)