Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Entertainment/2016 November 3

= November 3 =

The next century-long drought
With the Chicago Cubs winning the World Series, ending their 108-year WS championship drought, I thought about having a discussion about the next team having a 100+ years of World Series champion drought. Currently the longest WS championship drought in MLB is now the Cleveland Indians at 68 years, whom the Cubs just beat. So let's pitch in the opinions about which of the current teams will most likely go 100+ years without winning the World Series. Planet Star  07:19, 3 November 2016 (UTC)


 * We don't do opinions here. Sorry.  --   Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  08:18, 3 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Come back in 32 years. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 08:55, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

One note of "Jolly Old Saint Nicholas"
Per my knowledge, what is the original melody of "Jolly Old Saint Nicholas"?? For clarification, this is just one note of the song, specifically in the first verse the word "what" in "what I'm going to say". Early instrument players usually learn that this line has the notes D-C-D-E-D (transposed to any key) but the original version had B-C-D-E-D (transposed to any key.) Is there any reason for this difference?? Georgia guy (talk) 15:54, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Folk process? The version I'm used to is slightly different from either of the spellings you gave.  They are all pretty close to one another.  50.0.136.56 (talk) 22:38, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Copyright on jewelry/clothes in books?
Let's use Stephenie Meyer's Eclipse as an example: in the book, Bella has a bracelet that's described as a silver chain with a carved-wood wolf charm on one side and a crystal heart charm on the other. I was curious as to what it looked like (haven't seen the movie), so I did a Google search. Apparently, it's possible to buy your very own vampire/werewolf inspired charm bracelet from the official Twilight site, if you're willing to plunk down 75 bucks. I did some more looking and there are quite a few people on Etsy or similar craft sites who are selling nearly identical bracelets for only $15 to $30. My question is, are the Etsy sellers infringing on copyright by making a bracelet first dreamed up by Stephenie Meyer? They are selling the bracelets with an admission of where the idea came from; all the ads say, "Bella's charm bracelet from Eclipse", although some do add, "inspired by" prior to that. Does Meyer own the rights to the bracelet just as she owns the rights to her characters, and are these people therefore infringing on that copyright, or is a silver chain bracelet with a wolf and crystal considered to be too generic and easy to copy to be under copyright? (If anybody is curious, I priced the raw materials and the bracelet would cost less than $10 to make, and there are even tutorials on YouTube. So if it's not illegal, you too can make a living knocking off the jewelry popular book and movie characters wear.😉) This doesn't just happen with Twilight, by the way. If any character had a distinctive piece of apparel in a popular movie, you can buy a very similar one online. White Arabian Filly Neigh 20:24, 3 November 2016 (UTC)


 * We aren't allowed to give legal advice here, but the poster is not exactly asking for advice. I think it's reasonable to provide a link to Copyright, where it says that "Copyright does not cover ideas and information themselves, only the form or manner in which they are expressed". --76.71.5.45 (talk) 21:24, 3 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Different jurisdictions have different rules, but Copyright law of the United States gives some useful help here. Specifically, jewelry seems like it is covered by copyright on "Pictorial, graphic, and sculptural works" broadly speaking.  This search turns up some good information on copyrights of jewelry design. -- Jayron 32 11:46, 4 November 2016 (UTC)