Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Entertainment/2017 April 12

= April 12 =

Question about Cardcaptor_Sakura
Where can I buy the Animax_Asia dub online on dvd? I can't find it. 209.53.181.116 (talk) 03:42, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I can't find it either. Bummer.  The Rambling Man (talk) 02:43, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

South African soccer/football
Where can I start looking for information about South African soccer? It is easy to find information about the Premier Soccer League. All the other leagues are difficult, though. Freddie2016 (talk) 07:07, 12 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Try the website of the South African Football Association - https://www.safa.net/ Wymspen (talk) 10:46, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Since this is Wikipedia, let's start with Soccer in South Africa for a general overview, South African Football Association and South African Premier Division may also tickle your fancy. From there, you may find many thousands of articles related to "soccer" in South Africa.  Sterkte!

List of Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer films
Can you guys PLEASE add these titles and credits back on List of Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer films?

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115.22.130.241 (talk) 07:15, 12 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Such a request belongs at – wait for it – Talk:List of Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer films. If raising it there brings no response within a reasonable time, there's probably a notice at the top of the Talk page that could lead you to a Project page, whose Talk page would be a reasonable place to raise it again. —Tamfang (talk) 07:53, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

Why are Ferengis attracted to Vulcan, Bolian, human and probably other women?
When they look nothing like their women? Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 08:24, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Anything can happen in fiction. An author can even write about species that don't exist. --TrogWoolley (talk) 10:23, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't understand why someone always feels the need to explain the basic concept of fiction whenever someone asks about a detail in a story. It's really not helpful. ("Why does Hamlet kill Polonius?" "Because that's how Shakespeare wrote it.") ApLundell (talk) 15:24, 12 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Ferengis are pretty similar to the rest of Star Trek's humanoid cast of characters. (They've tried to explain why the humanoids all look the same, and are compatible with eachother, a few times. For example : Ancient Humanoid common ancestors. It doesn't really make a lot of sense, though.)
 * Veering dangerously into the land of speculation, the most visible secondary sex characteristic of female ferengi is small ears. Humans have even smaller ears. From the point of view of a male ferengi, living with humans, it must feel like a human male would feel among a bunch of aliens with absurdly large breasts.
 * Leaving the land of speculation, it's been well established that traditionally female ferengi only wear clothes in the presence of their husband and doing it in public is obscene. This idea is taken even further in a scene from the book "Millenium:The Fall Of Terok Nor" where Jake and Nog find an unlisted holodeck and use it exactly the way you would expect unsupervised teenage boys to use it. They make a porno program that involves scantily clad "Vulcan Love Slaves" for Jake, and a bunch of fully clothed Ferengi women for Nog.  So it's not much of a stretch to guess that seeing other species women wearing normal clothing might do it for them.
 * Finally, TrogWooley is right, of course, that all these characters are metaphors and stereotypes. They can't be an irritating lech if they're not attracted to the people around them. ApLundell (talk) 15:18, 12 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Female Ferengis can have large breasts but that still doesn't make me attracted to them. Their heads look extremely male and like pigs. I guess they could be so obsessed with lobes they don't care though. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 16:33, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Except Ferengis are just humans in foam rubber masks. -- Jayron 32 16:48, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I am aware that humans have not made first contact yet. So if they find us with strong secondary characteristics sexy (small ears) humans should find Ferengi with strong secondary characteristics (breasts) sexy. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 17:04, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
 * So what if they're portrayed by actors? The question is about the characters. Would you answer the question "Why did Hamlet kill Polonius?" with "He didn't. He's just an actor in a costume."?
 * If you don't think questions about Star Trek are acceptable here (I disagree), then please say so clearly and without insulting the intelligence of other editors with disingenuous answers. ApLundell (talk) 18:13, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
 * This comment reads a bit more pointed than I meant it. No offense to Jayron is meant. I just find it very irritating when sarcasm is used to dismiss people's questions. ApLundell (talk) 23:31, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't think Jayron was being sarcastic or particularly dismissive. Questions of this sort - about fiction - require at least two kinds of answers to be complete: the "in-universe" one and the "real world" one. Sometimes one is more important than the other. Why are Ferengis attracted to females of other species? We've gotten some in-universe answers already - and here's another: zoophilia. (Some) human beings can't keep their hands off the livestock; I'm 100% confident that we would be even more attracted to aliens that looked nearly human and it stands to reason Ferengis might react the same way: Vulcan and human women are exotic aliens to them. As for the real world side, how about this: nobody has ever gone bankrupt by showing a little flesh and ratings are ratings. Matt Deres (talk) 00:38, 13 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Although the question is most simply answered with "because that's how they're written", I'll point out that there are other examples within the Star Trek universe of cross species mating. Torres and Paris on Voyager come to mind first (probably because I've been re-watching the series). Though you might argue that Torres is half human, Paris apparently doesn't mind the forehead ridges of her Klingon side. Kirk is of course known for being a ladies man with several different races. Spock's parents were Vulcan and Human. Though they do look quite similar, there are large differences in personality between Humans and Vulcans. Troi and Worf had a relationship on the Enterprise-E. And Troi is pretty much the anti-Klingon of the crew. There are other less notable examples, such as Ensign Samantha Wildman, a Human, and Greskrendtregk, a Ktarian (again, from Voyager). Though Greskrendtregk is never seen in the series, he apparently has forehead spikes which some might find displeasing. So, I'm not sure why you're concentrating just on the Ferengi.  † dismas †|(talk) 23:55, 12 April 2017 (UTC)


 * I could see myself sleeping with Ms. Torres. Her? No. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 02:50, 13 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Let's not forget Jadzia Dax and Worf, to avoid hooman bias (as Quark would say). Clarityfiend (talk) 05:57, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Jadzia Dax/Dax and any number of people, including the guy with the transparent skull. And who knows who pollinated (or whatever) that ensign who was budding? Yeah, I´ve also watched to much Star Trek. I support the "things happen in fiction" interpretation, but the "small ears" hypothesis really made me smile. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:22, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

It's a fictional show, anything can happen. That's all. The Rambling Man (talk) 02:38, 13 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Possibly because of the fact that non-Ferengi women are clothed, the opposite of what they're used to. (It's official. I've watched too much Star Trek.) Clarityfiend (talk) 05:54, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
 * We now have three people who felt the need to explain the basic premise of fiction and/or explain that Star Trek is not real. Who says the reference desk isn't helpful! ApLundell (talk) 18:18, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
 * And you have commented on that three times! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:37, 14 April 2017 (UTC)


 * In the real human social world, sexual attraction does not just depend on good looks. People who are long-term friends, not just potential one-night-stands, can become attractive to each other through their personalities, and any actively unnattractive elements of their appearances can become neutralised by familiarity. This might apply also to non-human humanoid aliens, should any be encountered, though compatibility of certain physiological attributes would seem to be inherently less likely. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.217.249.244 (talk) 18:59, 13 April 2017 (UTC)


 * That is true but when the Ferengi pirate Krem saw a Vulcan for the first time she was unconscious and he still wanted to make her his sex slave. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 05:29, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Considering the vulcan in question, many people wanted that. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:27, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
 * T'Pol is not my type. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 18:54, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Specieist! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:31, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
 * No, Deanna Troi is beautiful. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 21:24, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Selective specieist? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 22:49, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Earist? Clarityfiend (talk) 06:59, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Very short haired T'Pol's not my type whether she has elf ears or not. (Earth has furries and vampire wannabes who can't wait for animal/vampire transformation technology so there must be a subculture of Vulcans that has human-ear chic and gets them surgically shortened) Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 20:49, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

Is there a term for songs that take a long time to repeat?
Like I've heard Hotel California doesn't repeat a chord till the 8th or 13th chord or so. Is there a term for that? It repeats some interval serieses at least approximately though during this time (from different starting points) so maybe there's also a term for being more dissimilar than just different chords? Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 08:36, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
 * WP:OR warning. Doing Hotel California from memory, the verse chords are all one per measure, and go as follows: Bm - F# - A - E - G - D - Em - F#.  Those 8 chords repeat again, then the chorus chords are just the second half of the verse: G - D - Em - F#, which repeats twice.  I don't know that such a type of song has any special name.  -- Jayron 32 14:40, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Also, just for the record, Hotel California is not unique in this regard. While many pop songs are built on simple three- and four- chord progressions (often the same I-IV-V progression or some variant of it, see also Three-chord song and Twelve-bar blues which is the basis for the prevalence of this progression in pop music) there are MANY well-known rock and pop songs which have more complex chord sequences.  "Wish You Were Here" uses two alternating two-chord riffs for the intro and midtro, and a verse that goes C-D-Am-G-D-C-Am-G.  "Space Oddity" has a fairly complex chord structure, that I can't recall off hand, but there's at least 3 different parts that uses at least 7-8 distinct chords; probably 10-12 if you count chord inversions, and each part as a whole doesn't repeat internally (except by alternating a few chords).  -- Jayron 32 18:43, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
 * By the way, Hotel California is pretty much straight circle of fifths. --jpgordon&#x1d122;&#x1d106; &#x1D110;&#x1d107; 16:24, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I didn't know that. Nor had thought of the idea of circle of fifths songs before. So keys are pointless if there's such an easy and sonorous way to leave them? Like how the Standard Reference Method's only not pointless because rainbow-colored beer isn't fashionable? Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 17:03, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keys aren't pointless at all; the circle is an easy way to create harmonic interest and stress by changing it up. Take a look at the chords to Nobody Knows You When You're Down and Out; I've been playing that for some 50 years (good god, Layla is almost 50 years old) and only last year realized it covers the entire circle of fifths without changing key at all. --jpgordon&#x1d122;&#x1d106; &#x1D110;&#x1d107; 18:58, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
 * No, as jpgordon said, keys are NOT pointless. Indeed, Hotel California remains squarely in the key of B minor the whole time.  People tend to think of the circle of fifths as a way to find the three "core chords" in a three chord song (the root chord is, the dominant chord is always a fifth up, and the subdominant chord is always a fifth down (or fourth up) leading to the familiar I-IV-V progression.  But using the circle of fifths can also allow one to grow beyond those 3 basic chords.  What Hotel California does is it plays with the relative major/minor thing.  Remember, the relative major to B minor is D major.  So, playing the I-IV-V game with the circle of fifths with those chords gives us B-F#-E for B minor and D-G-A for D major.  Look again at the six chords... See it?  Hotel California is two interlaced I-IV-V progressions built on B and D. -- Jayron 32 19:41, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
 * But what if someone made a song with the circle of fifths and it had all 7 notes of a key plus another? Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 05:32, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
 * A key a song is written in only indicates a a specific scale from which most of notes are in. Any key can use notes outside of it's standard scale by using accidentals.-- Jayron 32 03:17, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I memorized Space Oddity back in the 70s. From memory (and hoping that I'm properly mapping where I finger to the proper chord): F Em F Em for the intro. C Em C Em Am G Am F D for the verse. Then, the verse steps up a bit to C E F Fm C F? Fm C F. Then, there is an ethereal break with F Em F Em B? A G F. Then, a funky little break of F C D E which is common in Bowie's music. Then it all repeats again. I put a ? where I'm not really sure what the chord is. 209.149.113.5 (talk) 18:57, 12 April 2017 (UTC)


 * your link "Wish You Were Here (song)" is a redirect to Wish You Were Here, which is a disambiguation page and there is no way to tell which of those songs you were talking about. Try the "Display links to disambiguation pages in orange" in your preferences/gadgets. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 14:58, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
 * So amended. -- Jayron 32 15:10, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

No. The Rambling Man (talk) 02:40, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

Celtic Woman March and April 2006 Tour Dates.
Do you know all the shows celtic woman did in the USA in March and April 2006? I found some but not all — Preceding unsigned comment added by PantherMan (talk • contribs) 22:59, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Could you clarify what you mean by "celtic woman" please? Perhaps a link to a Google search result would help us understand what you're after?  The Rambling Man (talk) 02:39, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
 * , probably Celtic Woman. Not sure where you'd find 11-year old tour dates.  Rojomoke (talk) 04:40, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Not sure if this is complete, but it's a start: Celtic Woman 2006. Maineartists (talk) 17:26, 13 April 2017 (UTC)