Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Entertainment/2017 April 29

= April 29 =

Threatened Editing Warring
Hi,

I'm having a problem with another editor who keeps reverting my short edit.

A British TV show uses a significant chunk of a Christmas song that has been wildly popular in the United Kingdom for the last 50 years. But this song is almost entirely unknown outside of the United Kingdom.

The other editor, AlexTheWhovian, who is from the United Kingdom thinks my short sentence about this song trivial. And trivial is not worth Wiki.

As someone from the 90% of the non-United Kingdom world, I was disappointed to not see the song on the British TV shows page. And added it.

The other editor is now threatening to report me for editing warring.

What can I do?

The TV show is Doctor Who, the episode is "Last Christmas".

The sentence I wish to add is "The song that Shona dances to is Slade's 1973 number one single Merry Xmas Everybody."

My citation is http://www.vulture.com/2014/12/doctor-who-christmas-special-2014.html

The article states, "One of the most thoroughly foreign flourishes of the Who Christmas specials — to pretty much everyone living outside the U.K. — is the repeated use of Slade’s “Merry Xmas Everybody,”

Please advise.

Thank you.

KenJacowitz — Preceding unsigned comment added by KenJacowitz (talk • contribs) 02:06, 29 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Would have appreciated being notified of this. (Is this even the right place for this?) The editor has been notified that the content being added is trivial, and simply because a song is apparently "unknown" outside of the United Kingdom (which I do not, in fact, live in), it does not mean it needs to be added to the article. It's a song she listened to. And? How does that have relevance? We are not a site to just list every detail that crosses our heads; however, the editor above continues to add it after being warned by myself and another editor. --  Alex TW 02:39, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

Alex, you threatened "be reported for edit-warring. (TW))"   I made a small add for the 90% of the world that was unfamiliar with a quintessentially British perennial Christmas song.   The edit-war you started is trivial. I did not revert anything you added. I have made a hundred edits and have always had good relations with other editors.   Wiki  I've read many pages that mention use of songs from modern television shows to use in period historical  adaptations of Shakespeare.  I've always thought of them as added content, not trivia.  Which is why I would like to ask a third party.

Alex, sorry, I'm on the other side of the Earth, and tired and about to go to bed. Yes, Australia has not been a part of the United Kingdom for many years. I meant Commonwealth of Nations.

The other editor did not say my add was trivial. He rightfully disagreed with a citation I wished to use about tracks on a CD. He explained, I agreed. And I reverted that add myself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KenJacowitz (talk • contribs) 03:57, 29 April 2017 (UTC)


 * You are continuously attempting to force you disputed content into the article - that is edit-warring per WP:EW. Again: one song being in an episode irrelevant, we do not add every song in every television episode that has ever aired. It brings no further understanding to the content of the article. Me being part of the "Commonwealth of Nations" really has zero standing here, I'm not sure how it was even raised. Furthermore, when posting on talk pages, please sign your posts with ~ . Cheers. --  Alex TW 04:12, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

Dr. Sevrin's Ears
In the Star Trek episode The Way to Eden, the leader of the hippie band, carrier of a deadly plague, has deformed (or manipulated) bat shaped ears. Is this ever explained? It is not in our article, nor is it addressed in the episode itself. Thanks. μηδείς (talk) 03:18, 29 April 2017 (UTC)


 * He's supposed to be Tiburonian, and that's how that species looks (males are also bald): . Funny how they switched from weird ears in TOS to gluing silicone on the forehead for every new species in TNG. StuRat (talk) 05:06, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
 * And not-so-new species ... but they "don't discuss it with outsiders". Clarityfiend (talk) 11:09, 29 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Skip Homeier has pretty good sized ears in his own right. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 11:36, 29 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Did I miss where they made it clear that he was an alien in the original episode?  Tiburón means shark in Spanish.  I wonder if he had nasty big pointy teeth. μηδείς (talk) 15:16, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

Playing games on Fundays
I believe Friday and Saturday are the most common days for people playing games (such as board games), do you agree? The most common day of playing games depends on an individual and family. That's the reason why I collectively call Friday and Saturday Fundays as the main purpose of game is for fun. Planet Star  22:41, 29 April 2017 (UTC)


 * You're not the only one (do your own Google search). For some reason, "funday" was a relatively common word c. 1715~1820:; I wonder if it had a different meaning then. 2606:A000:4C0C:E200:3CF4:5668:5FB:EC43 (talk) 01:37, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't believe it. The OED Online has no cites for "funday" earlier than 1876.  See long s: I suspect that the hits that Google Ngrams is finding are all actually instances of "ſunday" being misread as "funday" during OCR and not caught by subsequent spellchecking because "funday" is now also a word.
 * For what it's worth, the OED defines the word as "a day which is fun, a day for having fun; (now esp.) a day of organized events providing a variety of amusements and activities for families. Often in rhyming collocation with Sunday (occas. Monday), or (in later use) in alliterative association with family". They give 6 illustrative quotatins, one of which is indeed from "Manic Monday" as mentioned by Bugs below: (1876) "You've Monday, your one day, your fun-day, While mine is a year that's all Sunday." (1917) "Wednesday will be the great fun day... The entire afternoon and evening will be devoted to ‘The Rotary Frolix of 1917’ at Lakewood Park." (1940) "Tomorrow's Sunday-Funday, and we're painting the house." (1985) "It's just another manic Monday I wish it was Sunday 'Cause that's my Funday." (1990) "Sunday's fun day was enjoyed by the 1500 people who turned out to participate in..the various sporting events." (2011) "Take advantage of Family Funday..at The Wolfsonian–FIU."
 * --76.71.6.254 (talk) 07:26, 30 April 2017 (UTC)


 * "I wish it were a Sunday / 'cause that's my fun day" from "Manic Monday". ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:08, 30 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Then there was the old The Harveytoons Show, whose intro used to include kids singing "Monday, Tuesday" and so on "Friday, Saturday, FUNDAY!" ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:17, 30 April 2017 (UTC)


 * I should think Sunday would be a big game day for Christians, as they're not supposed to do any work that day, leaving lots of leisure time (after church). StuRat (talk) 02:38, 30 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Not necessarily. Sports were not allowed on Sundays in some Christian communities, and likely games as well, as being too frivolous for Sunday. My high school still had a sign on the baseball field saying "no Sunday playing" although I don't know if anyone still minded. Rmhermen (talk) 04:38, 30 April 2017 (UTC)


 * I can certainly see professional sports qualifying as work, but not amateur sports or games. Church socials, after all, often include games.  Bingo anyone ? StuRat (talk) 16:45, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
 * On Sundays? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:39, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia doesn't talk about who held exactly what beliefs about amateur sports and games on Sundays as far as I can see, but it does have this example of a sign asking people not to play on Sundays, and of course there's an article about Eric Liddell (see also Chariots of Fire) and one about the BYU Cougars. --76.71.6.254 (talk) 21:41, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Guys, let's talk about what is the most common day of non-religious people playing games with family and friends outside of sports like board games, card games, hangman, video games, etc. Planet  Star  01:51, 1 May 2017 (UTC)


 * No. We don't "talk." This is not a discussion board. This is a reference desk. 209.149.113.5 (talk) 13:42, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * In theory. But the original invitational question: "do you agree?" might disagree with that assessment slightly. Certainly the follow-up editors conversational thread would point toward a talk, rather than a reference desk which constitutes a direct question followed by a definitive answer. Maineartists (talk) 14:05, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Reference desks aren't expected to give definitive answers. They're expected to give references. Nil Einne (talk) 13:18, 5 May 2017 (UTC)