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= August 24 =

Baseball ties
According to their article, "The Expos posted an all-time record of 2,753 wins, 2,943 losses and 4 ties during their 36 years in Montreal". Two of the ties were in friendlies against the Toronto Blue Jays (I suppose they didn't want the exhibition games to go too long), but how otherwise would they have gotten ties? I've never before heard of a Major League game ending in a tie, except of course for the infamous All-Star game. Nyttend backup (talk) 17:22, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
 * No, the four ties played by the Expos are four regular season games, one in 1971, one in 1983, one in 1988 and I forget when the fourth one took place (I could look it up if you really care). The exhibition games against the Blue Jays were just that and are not counted in the team's overall win and loss totals. Official games interrupted by rain with the score tied were ruled as ties under the rules of the time, with all statistics counting, but were then replayed in their entirety if the schedule allowed. The rule was changed in 2007 with the result that nowadays, tie games are almost always resumed at a later date from the point at which they were interrupted. But there was one game on September 29 last year that was allowed to stand as a tie because it was the last scheduled meeting between the two teams and its result had no impact on final standings. See this article for more: . --Xuxl (talk) 18:31, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
 * And here are the four games: May 1, 1971 MON 2 at STL 2 (7 innings); June 28, 1983 MON 5 at PHI 5 (11 innings); April 23, 1988 MON 3 at PHI 2 (7 innings); May 28, 1993 MON 2 at CHI 2 (5 innings). Boxscores etc can be found on Retrosheet . --Xuxl (talk) 18:51, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Just as an aside; ties were more common in the earlier years of baseball, when games called because of darkness or bad weather had their results stand at the moment they were called (if one team was ahead, they got the win, but if tied the tie stood). The famous 1938 Homer in the Gloamin' game in 1938 was important because of the impending darkness (had the game been called because of darkness, the tie would have stood, necessitating another game to be played).  There were actual tie games in the World Series in 1907, 1912 and 1922.  -- Jayron 32 19:11, 24 August 2017 (UTC)


 * When "tie games are ... resumed ... from the point at which they were interrupted," does that mean with N outs and the same runners on base, or from the beginning of the inning? —Tamfang (talk) 18:58, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
 * From the exact point when the game was suspended, as if the suspension had never happened. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:16, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
 * So, here's a side question : On a resumed game, what happens if the rosters of the teams are not the same as when the play was suspended. Lets say the suspended game is continued a month later, and let's also say there was a player on 2nd when play was suspended.  Let's say in the intervening weeks, that player gets traded to a new team.  What do the rules say happens?  Who takes his spot on base?  -- Jayron 32 02:08, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
 * The team would designate a substitute. From rule 7.02(c): "A suspended game shall be resumed at the exact point of suspension of the original game. The completion of a suspended game is a continuation of the original game. The lineup and batting order of both teams shall be exactly the same as the lineup and batting order at the moment of suspension, subject to the rules governing substitution. Any player may be replaced by a player who had not been in the game prior to the suspension. No player removed before the suspension may be returned to the lineup. A player who was not with the club when the game was suspended may be used as a substitute, even if he has taken the place of a player no longer with the club who would not have been eligible because he had been removed from the lineup before the game was suspended." ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:27, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
 * The rosters would be as they are at the time the game is resumed, not from the original date. And if a player was taken out of the game, the player that took his place on the roster is eligible to play. So in a suspended game, you could have more than 25 eligible players. In theory, a player could play for both teams in one game if he were traded from one to the other before the game is resumed. (It has never happened in baseball. Oddly, it did happen in the National Basketball Association: On Nov. 8, 1978, the New Jersey Nets protested a referee's call in a game against the Philadelphia 76ers. The protest was upheld and the game was resumed from that point before their next meeting. Three players played for both teams.) Baseball players have been on both rosters for a suspended game, but did not play for both. This article from SABR might interest you.  → Michael J Ⓣ Ⓒ Ⓜ 02:41, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks both of you. Very interesting!  -- Jayron 32 04:05, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Related, see Longest professional baseball game, which was stopped in the 32nd inning and resumed two months later; the losing pitcher wasn't a member of either team when the first 32 innings were played. Nyttend backup (talk) 12:39, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

LGBT tv shows
Where can I watch or buy the lgbt tv shows called Exes_and_Ohs and Lip_Service_(TV_series)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.239.8.205 (talk) 23:44, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
 * It would seem that you can purchase these as DVD sets on Amazon or Ebay, but Lip_Service_(TV_series) appears to be only in Region 2 format. Maineartists (talk) 00:21, 25 August 2017 (UTC)